October 2017 - vcf-midatlantic

Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS question
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 20 Oct '17

20 Oct '17

william degnan via vcf-midatlantic writes: >To be precise I would type > >$ EDIT systartup_v5.com [enter] (for example) > >... and I would be greeted by a screen full of the file, so that I could >use the cursor to jump around the file. > >Now, when I type > >$ EDIT systartup_v5.com [enter] > >... I see this: > >[$] !+++++ C* > >My question for you is, did you change the OS to change the way EDIt by >default works, but more important why is this now happening and how can >I get into a text editor style mode? First, I just logged in and from the SYSTEM account: $ SHOW SYMBOL E* E*DIT == "EDIT/EDT/COMMAND=SYS$LOGIN:EDTINI.EDT" This SHOULD elicit the EDT behavior you're used to seeing. Also, and this is what happens when you're using a system configured by a madman... $ SHOW LOGICAL E* (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) (LNM$JOB_80746EA0) (LNM$GROUP_000001) (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) "EDTINI" = "SYS$MANAGER:EDTINI.EDT" THis should be: "EDTSYS" = "SYS$MANAGER:EDTINI.EDT" I manually added EDTSYS to the system logical table. Try things out now. I am assuming you're using the SYSTEM account for all you're querying about.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS question
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 20 Oct '17

20 Oct '17

william degnan via vcf-midatlantic writes: >Brian, Do you know anything about why now I can't edit COM files like >they are text files, it seems like you deleted all of the old versions >of systartup_v5.com that I was saving. can you please advise how to >return the EDIT command to show a text editor style, rather than a VI >type edit style? Bill I did not touch SYSTARTUP_V5.COM. Why would you NOT be able to edit a .COM file? It's just text. The editors on VMS are not brain-damaged to decide what's in a file based upon file extension like on other OS.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS question
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 20 Oct '17

20 Oct '17

william degnan via vcf-midatlantic writes: >On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic < >vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > >> william degnan via vcf-midatlantic writes: >> >> >The quotas on this server for all users in [100,*] are 1000000. >> >That seems pretty high. No where else have I seen them that much. >> >> A million blocks??? *512 is 512MB. How big are those drives??? >> > > >Apparently as big as your imagination. I was thinking maybe for VMS 5.x >they still used Kb rather than Mb., but from a manual that covers 5 and 6 >that I use, 1000000 is ludicrous. > >$ show dev d > >Device Device Error Volume Free >Trans Mnt > Name Status Count Label Blocks >Count Cnt >COBUCK$DKA700: Mounted 0 USER3 360894 >37 1 >COBUCK$DKB0: Mounted 0 USER1 39771 > 1 1 >COBUCK$DKB100: Mounted 0 UTLTEST 208620 > 1 1 >COBUCK$DKB200: Mounted 0 USER2 1953795 > 1 1 >COBUCK$DKB300: Online 0 >COBUCK$DKB500: Mounted 0 VAXVMSRL054 23946 > 186 1 >$ You need /FULL to see the physical/logical volume size.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS question
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 20 Oct '17

20 Oct '17

william degnan via vcf-midatlantic writes: >The quotas on this server for all users in [100,*] are 1000000. >That seems pretty high. No where else have I seen them that much. A million blocks??? *512 is 512MB. How big are those drives???

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS question
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 20 Oct '17

20 Oct '17

william degnan via vcf-midatlantic writes: >On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Brian Schenkenberger via >vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> >wrote: > >> william degnan via vcf-midatlantic writes: > > >I noticed when I >logged in today a file / info dump printed to the > >screen but when I >logged out and in again it was gone. Perhaps that's > >what you're >talking about? > > > >Understand that I did not write SYSLOGIN.COM or >any of this > >configuration ... I would not have imagined someone would >have a messed > >up SYSLOGIN.COM to cause the issue you described. >There may be another > >explanation. > > No, that's the only >explanation. Poorly written DCL logic and a really > stupid premise >too. When somebody logs into VMS, they are granted the > privileges >defined in the UAF record. They then execute ALL subsequent > DCL with >the persona (privileges, rights, UIC, etc.) defined in the UAF > record. > There's no way to elevate privileges via ANY DCL command! The > author >of that SYLOGIN seemed to believe otherwise. > > > OK. > > >> > >I am trying to "take over" from where they guy that set this >machine up > >left off and learn how this particular server was set up >and why. I > >want to fix, but I also know System administration tends >to reflect the > >personality of the admin, people have reasons for >things. I am making > >the assumption that given this was a production >system there must be > >some reasons for things. Eventually I can try >to improve. > > Never make assumptions!!! I have seen more systems in >production in my > career that look like they were managed and or >configured by brain-dead > chimps. I see people that when told "don't >do this" will "do this" and > then, contact me and want their error >corrected. I tell them "you did > what I told you not to do" and "don't >do it again!" Guess what? They > do it again and again and again. > > >That I know, but I am learning a whole new OS and even if it's not the >best way it's the way it is now, learning why something is the way it is >helps me to learn. > > >> > >When I log in using Evan's account, I can get in but I have a disk >quota > >exceeded error when I try to generate an email message. > > > >>MAIL> mail To: SMTP%"evan(a)snarc.net" Subj: VAX USERN/PASS > >>%MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening > >>COBK$DATA:[COBK.PERSONAL.EKOBLENTZ]MAIL_0128_SEND .TMP; as output > >>-RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed -SYSTEM-F-EXDISKQUOTA, disk quota > >>exceeded > > The disk that his account has been assign to IS the system >disk. If > you look, it's very verly low on disk space. If I were you, >I'd move > his account and any other user accounts (save SYSTEM, FIELD, >SYSTEST) > OFF OF THE SYSTEM volume. > > I have a new disk I am >preparing to use, agreed. > > > >> > Personally, if you really are hell bent on keeping the system as it >> was delivered, I'd suggest you backup all the volumes and then, init > >and start from stratch. Then, once you know how it all works, you > can >go back and see what a mess the prior system's owner(s) left you. > > > >There is a historic angle here, I get your points though. Logical. > >I see now I never set up the disk quota, doing that now. It's all a >learning process. One thing about me, I am pretty good to remember once >I make a mistake/crash something is sometimes how I learn. So I trash >an old VMS box, I can always start from scratch. It's not a job. > >I see now that the operator of this box probably was not fully trained, >makes it less valuable as a learning tool, why learn on a poorly >configured VAX, but I also have nothing to loose. :-) > >Bill 2+2 = 5 The earth is flat.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS question
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 20 Oct '17

20 Oct '17

The problem was a poorly written SYLOGIN.COM file!!! That "Sorry%" message was found in the SYLOGIN.COM file. Evan's password will need to be reset. It is presently the magic word from Adventure twice. ;) Sadly, the stupid SYLOGIN.COM, redefined command DELETE, so the SYLOGIN.COM file is NO LONGER there. It didn't do all that much and what it did to was wrong and stupid, so start over and learn some DCL.

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[OT] Anyone Interested in Building a New Atari XE/XL Mini ITX Board?
by Herb Johnson 19 Oct '17

19 Oct '17

> Wow, as if on queue, someone is offering a complete kit ETA soon): Alex, I have no Atari interest, but I looked at the links you posted, briefly. I'm not the moderator here, either; but your message here in VCFed looked like *you* bought 50 boards and suggested *you'd* sell them at $10 each. Actually, you posted a copy of "MacRorie"'s post - THAT person claimed to make the purchase, estimate a price. That's my read of that Atari forum thread, you pointed to. Sorry to stick my nose in, but seems like you (Alex) would like to be clear about your previous offer-to-buy and sell boards; and your more-recent post if you have decided to differ to someone else's purchase-and-resell offer. Herb -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS question
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 19 Oct '17

19 Oct '17

william degnan via vcf-midatlantic writes: >A while back I was working on my MicroVAX and I had a few OS and hardware >setbacks. I have finally gotten back to where I was before. > >So, I have a question for you VMS admins out there. > >I can log into my Microvax 3100 as SYSTEM remotely the FQDN is >microvax3100.vintagecomputer.net. I am having issues adding new users. I >remember asking about this problem a year ago and Brian helped me fix it at >VCF E 12 I think, but I forget how he fixed it. > >I can create a user (for Evan K to try) and I can log in, but it >immediately logs me out. I get the following error: > >Username: EKOBLENTZ >Password: > Welcome to VAX/VMS version V5.5-2 on node COBUCK > Last interactive login on Thursday, 19-OCT-2017 15:14 >%Sorry, your default device is unavailable for login, try again later... > > EKOBLENTZ logged out at 19-OCT-2017 15:14:38.56 > >I remember Brian S fixed this problem, and it's not a user setup issue >within AUTH, there is something else I need to do to allow non SYSTEM users >to log in. > >This is not a production server but I do have it up and running now, if >anyone who can advise needs the SYSTEM password just send me an email and I >will send to you. Please if you fix, I need to document the fix so I can >know how to create a new user. > >Here is the process I am using: > >$ set process/privileges=all >$ set default sys$system: >$ run authorize >UAF> show [100,*] /brief >UAF> add EKOBLENTZ /uic=[100,30] /account=COBK >UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /password=password >UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /device=sys$sysdevice <=== L@@K >UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /directory=[EKOBLENTZ] <=== L@@K >UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /owner="Evan Koblentz" >UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /nopwdexpir /flag=nodisuser >UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /defprivileges=(TMPMBX, OPER, NETMBX) >/privileges=(TMPMBX, OPER, NETMBX) >UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /flags=nodisuser >UAF> exit >$ create /directory /owner=[100,30] COBK$DATA:[COBK.PERSONAL.ekoblentz] <=== L@@K >/OWNER=[ekoblentz] > > >SO...What else do I need to do? I know my SYSTARTUP_V5.COM is a little >screwy (yes I am using VMS 5.2) and I need to clean it up, but I don't >think the problem described above is related to the system start script. I >seem to remember Brian going into a directory someplace and adding the user >to a table or changing the system to allow a certain user to be able to log >in. What I'd like is to allow any user I create by default to be allowed >to log in, if they have the correct permissions as a user. > >Thanks > >Bill You have created/established Evan's account with a default "home" directory of SYS$SYSDEVICE:[EKOBLENTZ] but you created COBK$DATA:[COBK.PERSONAL.EKOBLENTZ]. Either: (1) $ MCR AUTHORIZE UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /device=COBK$DATA: UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /directory=[COBK.PERSONAL.EKOBLENTZ] ...or... (2) $ CREATE/DIRECTORY SYS$SYSDEVICE:[EKOBLENTZ]/OWNER=[100,10] Remember, computers only do what you tell them to do. ;)

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VMS question
by william degnan 19 Oct '17

19 Oct '17

A while back I was working on my MicroVAX and I had a few OS and hardware setbacks. I have finally gotten back to where I was before. So, I have a question for you VMS admins out there. I can log into my Microvax 3100 as SYSTEM remotely the FQDN is microvax3100.vintagecomputer.net. I am having issues adding new users. I remember asking about this problem a year ago and Brian helped me fix it at VCF E 12 I think, but I forget how he fixed it. I can create a user (for Evan K to try) and I can log in, but it immediately logs me out. I get the following error: Username: EKOBLENTZ Password: Welcome to VAX/VMS version V5.5-2 on node COBUCK Last interactive login on Thursday, 19-OCT-2017 15:14 %Sorry, your default device is unavailable for login, try again later... EKOBLENTZ logged out at 19-OCT-2017 15:14:38.56 I remember Brian S fixed this problem, and it's not a user setup issue within AUTH, there is something else I need to do to allow non SYSTEM users to log in. This is not a production server but I do have it up and running now, if anyone who can advise needs the SYSTEM password just send me an email and I will send to you. Please if you fix, I need to document the fix so I can know how to create a new user. Here is the process I am using: $ set process/privileges=all $ set default sys$system: $ run authorize UAF> show [100,*] /brief UAF> add EKOBLENTZ /uic=[100,30] /account=COBK UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /password=password UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /device=sys$sysdevice UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /directory=[EKOBLENTZ] UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /owner="Evan Koblentz" UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /nopwdexpir /flag=nodisuser UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /defprivileges=(TMPMBX, OPER, NETMBX) /privileges=(TMPMBX, OPER, NETMBX) UAF> modify EKOBLENTZ /flags=nodisuser UAF> exit $ create /directory /owner=[100,30] COBK$DATA:[COBK.PERSONAL.ekoblentz] /OWNER=[ekoblentz] SO...What else do I need to do? I know my SYSTARTUP_V5.COM is a little screwy (yes I am using VMS 5.2) and I need to clean it up, but I don't think the problem described above is related to the system start script. I seem to remember Brian going into a directory someplace and adding the user to a table or changing the system to allow a certain user to be able to log in. What I'd like is to allow any user I create by default to be allowed to log in, if they have the correct permissions as a user. Thanks Bill

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[OT] Anyone Interested in Building a New Atari XE/XL Mini ITX Board?
by J. Alexander Jacocks 19 Oct '17

19 Oct '17

All, If anyone else is interested in building a new Atari motherboard, and would like to do a group buy for components, or the blank PCBs, themselves, drop me a line. I’ve been following this project for months, and it has produced an amazing result: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/261147-1088xel-alternative-mother-board-pr… <http://atariage.com/forums/topic/261147-1088xel-alternative-mother-board-pr…> The BoM, from DigiKey, is here (page 41): http://atariage.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&… I’m willing to make the orders, and mail out (or hand out) the PCBs. I can also order components, if anyone wants. Thanks! - Alex

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