January 2020 - vcf-midatlantic

Re: [vcf-midatlantic] endearing term
by Jeffrey Jonas 12 Jan '20

12 Jan '20

I'm unsure a vote is required since we have essentially reached consensus. Evan is on the mark with "logged off" since that's a human action to end a computer session. Human interaction is implied. "signing off" might be a useful alternative, borrowing from the broadcast industry (and BBS?) "return from interrupt" or just plain return() is a wonderful TRON-like view of life as a subroutine. It implies that you've contributed something or performed some service to benefit others. "final exit" is also a good candidate, particularly with Unix/Linux process handling with process parent/child, process groups and the ever-loving zombie status. It kinda applies to actors too. ABORT or Program termination are just too close to euphemisms for death (or Bladerunners' "retirement" of replicants). ABEND means "abnormal end", more appropriate for a tragic or unexpected end. e.g. Robert Allen Pease abended, causing an industry double-panic with Jim Williams' simultaneous, umm, logging off. "EOL" (end of line) and "EOM" (end of message) are remnants of sync-terminals and TRON. It's more like "over", not "over and out". "offline"? I'm unsure about that. My perspective as a machine operator is that peripherals are put online/offline as needed. When I'm offline, I'm asleep or resting and might return later, not pining for the fjords. Perhaps there are other contexts where it feels appropriate. disconnected? Perhaps IRC users feel that way. link is permanently down? Only if you're a modem. "system shutdown" feels dehumanizing. I'm no Andy Rooney but that's my current state of mind on the matter -- jeff jonas

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Christian Liendo 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

I agree with "logged off" because it is the most human. It is something humans do. where as the shutdown commands are more technical and cold. I think Evan's "logged off" is the best so far.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Bill Degnan 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

> > I like "logged out" too

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Peter Fletcher 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

I find most of these suggestions to be somewhat insensitive for the deceased’s loved ones to read. I get that being a public figure opens one up to outside commentary, but I think it best the group acknowledges the passing in the most respectful way possible. > On Jan 10, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > From: Evan Koblentz <evan(a)snarc.net> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders > Date: January 10, 2020 at 8:56:43 AM EST > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > > > EOL seems rude. > > I wrote "logged off" when Ragooman died. I didn't think about it too much; the words just came out: > > https://lists.vcfed.org/pipermail/vcf-midatlantic/2018-September/013346.html > > On Jan 10, 2020, Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >> On 1/9/20 10:40 PM, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> >>> I also vote for "EOL". >> >> Agreed - ++1 >> >> -- >> Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)linuxha.com >> http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site >> http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog >> Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Dean Notarnicola 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

@SYS$SYSTEM: SHUTDOWN HALT On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 9:37 AM Ben Greenfield via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > has reached end of file > > > On Jan 10, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > Peter Cetinski via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > writes: > > > >>> On Jan 10, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Peter Cetinski via vcf-midatlantic > >> <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> shutdown -h > >> > >> and for the reincarnation believers > >> > >> shutdown -r > >> > >> :) > > > > Again... TOO EUNUCHS. > > > > The VMS folks on this list will understand this... >>> > > > > > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Neil Cherry 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

On 1/10/20 10:06 AM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > I like “John Doe has Logged Off” > > It was fitting for Dan when Evan wrote it, I think it’s appropriate and not uncaring (actually I think it’s the opposite!) > > I do like EOL or EOF and disagree about it seeming rude, but I like “Logged Off” better. Saw Evan's post after I posted and do agree that “Logged Off” sounds better, be a bit softer and would be know better know than EOL. PS, for Emacs users: Ctrl-X Ctrl-C ;-) -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Chris Fala 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

That one actually choked me up a bit. On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 9:28 AM Peter Cetinski via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > shutdown -h >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Chris Fala 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

I remember "logged out", it was very touching. I told my wife at the time and she agreed. On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 8:56 AM Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > EOL seems rude. > > I wrote "logged off" when Ragooman died. I didn't think about it too much; > the words just came out: > > > https://lists.vcfed.org/pipermail/vcf-midatlantic/2018-September/013346.html > > On Jan 10, 2020, Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >On 1/9/20 10:40 PM, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > >> > >> I also vote for "EOL". > > > >Agreed - ++1 > > > >-- > >Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)linuxha.com > >http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site > >http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog > >Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

Peter Cetinski via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> writes: >> On Jan 10, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Peter Cetinski via vcf-midatlantic ><vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >> >> shutdown -h > >and for the reincarnation believers > >shutdown -r > >:) Again... TOO EUNUCHS. The VMS folks on this list will understand this... >>>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Peter Cetinski 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

> On Jan 10, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Peter Cetinski via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > shutdown -h > and for the reincarnation believers shutdown -r :)

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