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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Bellmac 32 processor
by Jeffrey Jonas 28 May '25

28 May '25

How about a commercial break? https://youtu.be/Olhaquj4tM4 Rock video promoting AT&T - "The Right Choice" - AT&T Archives by the AT&T Tech Channel https://www.youtube.com/@ATTTechChannel https://youtu.be/Olhaquj4tM4?t=18 AT&T/Olivetti 6300/6300-plus https://youtu.be/Olhaquj4tM4?t=40 3b2/310 with 5620 DMD terminal

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Bellmac 32 processor
by Jeffrey Jonas 28 May '25

28 May '25

The Bellmac-32 was probably the last CPU by AT&T Bell Labs / Western Electric, following the Bellmac-8, CRISP, Hobbit chips: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BELLMAC-8 https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/30350.30385 The hardware architecture of the CRISP microprocessor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Hobbit Photo of the MAC-8 and Bellmac 32: https://www.cpushack.com/2013/06/16/cpu-of-the-day-bell-labs-bellmac-8-aka-… I'm trying to find the MAC-8 article in the Bell System Technical Journal issue of February 1981 (Vol 60, number 2). It is NOT one of the selected papers from the BSTJ (Bell System Technical Journal) here: https://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/toc/bstj1980.html Here's something related: https://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/browse/bstj-archive https://archive.org/details/bstj57-6-2251/mode/2up BSTJ 57: 6. July-August 1978: UNIX Time-Sharing System: A Support Environment for MAC-8 Systems. (Rovegno, H.D.) A 32000 chip was on display in MARCH's CPU exhibit mostly for the unique package with pins that went thru the package. I chronicled some of the 32000 chip: http://ferretronix.com/tech/3b2/index.html MARCH has a 3b2/310 and 630 terminal. The Jerq/Blit/630/730 terminals were 68k based but the 5620 was 32100 based. Wikipedia seems correct with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blit_(computer_terminal) The Blit programmable bitmap graphics terminal was designed by Rob Pike and Bart Locanthi Jr. of Bell Labs in 1982. The Blit technology was commercialized by AT&T and Teletype. In 1984, the DMD (dot-mapped display) 5620 was released, followed by models 630 MTG (multi-tasking graphics) in 1987 and 730 MTG in 1989. The 5620 used a Western Electric 32100 processor (aka Bellmac 32) and had a 15" green phosphor display with 800 x 1024 x 1 resolution (66 x 88 characters in the initial text mode) interlaced at 30 Hz. The 630 and 730 had Motorola 68000 processors and a 1024 x 1024 x 1 monochrome display at 60 Hz (most had amber displays, but some had white or green displays).

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Bellmac 32 processor
by John Heritage 26 May '25

26 May '25

Hey folks - I was just curious if anyone had ever laid hands or if we've ever exhibited a Bellmac 32 processor (system)? Looking at specs, it may have been the first 32-bit microprocessor that was pipelined (one 32-bit instruction per clock). The chip also had a decent # of registers for 1980 (16 x 32-bit registers).

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OT - Bill D
by Martin A. Flynn 24 May '25

24 May '25

OT Pardon the bandwidth Bill D (the Bill D that helped with the lighting protectors on the Diana Site) - could email me? Martin Flynn

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Hardware loan/rental next week
by David Waybright 22 May '25

22 May '25

Hello, I live in cecil county, md. My friend lives in Harford county, Md. I work in Howard county, Md we have an event at ODT Studios, 89 Madison St, Newark, NJ 07105. We're looking for hardware that is easy to get to one of us or to the location we're having the event. Functional is preferred but open to hear what's out there. VT 05 from the 1970s And model 33 teletype ifrom the 1960s let me know what anyone may have to help us! Thanks, David Eugene Waybright CompTIA A+, NET+, & Security+ Technician Crestron Certified CIV-D Intelligent Video Designer & CIV-S Intelligent Video Specialist Crestron Certified Masters Technology Architect; Core, Flex, DMC-D-4K & E-4K, SCT-R & C, DCT-R & C, TCT-R & C AVMM Engineer; Audio & Shades Technician Extron Certified A/V Associate IT Operations & Secure Infrastructure Specialist Tesla Referral Code: https://ts.la/david55244 Please use my referral for a free demo drive, also $500 Off + 3 mo. FSD on Model 3 & Y, $1,000 Off + 3 mo. FSD on Model S & X, & $500 Off Solar TeslaFi Referral Code: https://www.teslafi.com/signup.php?referred=Dwaybright receive a one-month trial instead of two weeks. Tessie Referral Code: https://share.tessie.com/QpzcnbTb5yb receive one month free when you sign up. ChargePoint Home Pro, CPF25, CPF50, CPH50, CT4000, CP6000, OnRamp, Express 100, 200,& 250 Certified Technician [Image]<https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/0f52d73c69ad43ffb4490b6e75ed0de2…> Book time to meet with me<https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/0f52d73c69ad43ffb4490b6e75ed0de2…> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Donations requested TheA500Mini, TheSpectrum, TheVic20
by Jeffrey Brace 22 May '25

22 May '25

I've been using these modern implementations from retrogames.biz across the country at different shows to promote VCF: VCF SoCal, VCF MidWest, NJ Maker Day, World of Commodore, etc. I own these: TheC64, TheC4Mini, The400mini. So I lend them to VCF for events. Items like these are easy to transport and work with modern flat screens. So flying with them is easier than the original machines. VCF is looking for someone to donate the other ones that I don't have: TheA500Mini, TheSpectrum, TheVic20. If anyone is interested in donating them, then please let me know. They will be used at many events throughout the year for shows, makerfests, etc. Thanks! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF/MARCH Fundraising Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars!
by David Waybright 20 May '25

20 May '25

FYI to those asking about what cable to run. If permanent I would suggest CAT6a or 7 which would allow for multi uses of the runs! 10mb, 100mb, 1gb, or 10gb as well as regular POTS Analog Tip-Ring and even some PBX technologies like Nortel MICS. If temporary then run whatever you have the most of laying around! Thanks, David Eugene Waybright CompTIA A+, NET+, & Security+ Technician Crestron Certified CIV-E Intelligent Video Engineer, CIV-D Intelligent Video Designer & CIV-S Intelligent Video Specialist Crestron Certified Masters Technology Architect; Core, Flex, DMC-D-4K & E-4K, SCT-R & C, DCT-R & C, TCT-R & C AVMM Engineer; Audio & Shades Technician Extron Certified A/V Associate IT Operations & Secure Infrastructure Specialist Tesla Referral Code: https://ts.la/david55244 Please use my referral for a free demo drive, also $500 Off + 3 mo. FSD on Model 3 & Y, $1,000 Off + 3 mo. 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ChargePoint Home Pro, CPF25, CPF50, CPH50, CT4000, CP6000, OnRamp, Express 100, 200,& 250 Certified Technician [cid:c4bf31e2-d320-4509-bf9f-60debdb062d1]<https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/0f52d73c69ad43ffb4490b6e75ed0de2…> Book time to meet with me<https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/0f52d73c69ad43ffb4490b6e75ed0de2…> ________________________________ From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vcfed.org> on behalf of vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org <vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2025 8:00 AM To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 84, Issue 15 Send vcf-midatlantic mailing list submissions to vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.vcfed.org/mailman/listinfo/vcf-midatlantic or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org You can reach the person managing the list at vcf-midatlantic-owner(a)lists.vcfed.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of vcf-midatlantic digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) 2. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (N. Albert) 3. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Dave McGuire) 4. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (N. Albert) 5. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Dave McGuire) 6. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) 7. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (N. Albert) 8. Semi OT: looking for info on V25 SBC (Richard Cini) 9. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (N. Albert) 10. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) 11. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) 12. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (mzstock(a)earthlink.net) 13. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) 14. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) 15. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Dave McGuire) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 10:35:58 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <02af2e9f-9ea4-4f9f-8e59-b0f103fbb2e9(a)theflynn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: > On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ > > Have a thread open at > https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… > > > So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and > mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to the > main exhibition space in Building 9032A. > > Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) service > cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans Backbone, > however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed from CDL > (Building 9059) > > * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… > <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet…> > * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg > <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg> > > Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to provide > analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? No takers or interest??? ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 10:58:26 -0400 From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <792a1194-fa6d-d180-1b70-f6a3bbd3b30d(a)phreaknet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >> >> Have a thread open at >> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >> >> >> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to the >> main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >> >> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) service >> cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans Backbone, >> however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed from CDL >> (Building 9059) >> >> ? * >> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >> <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet…> >> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >> <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg> >> >> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to provide >> analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? > No takers or interest??? I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering what that was for! I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but unfortunately I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend Saturday. If someone else is able to do any needed wiring beforehand, I'm happy to help with setting up the box remotely if needed. I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll be on site? NA ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:01:37 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <abda09dc-e6bb-425e-aefe-81bfbb1c66ac(a)neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/25 10:58, N. Albert via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and BBSes. TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:04:54 -0400 From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <9019d934-6700-9bfb-b413-bb41ca1c8df2(a)phreaknet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 11:01 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > On 5/17/25 10:58, N. Albert via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and > > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank > > ? That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and > BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with analog phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that you just can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also uses real TDM at their conference and not SIP. (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related stuff in Asterisk nowadays.) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:11:11 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <fe9b2194-0939-4acb-88fc-4e4235c5700d(a)neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/25 11:04, N. Albert wrote: >> > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >> > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >> >> ? That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. > > That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with analog > phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that you just > can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also uses real > TDM at their conference and not SIP. Yep. I was going to stop short of saying "SIP is a steaming pile", but I'll go ahead and say it: "SIP is a steaming pile". > (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related stuff > in Asterisk nowadays.) Oh, very cool. I did some work for Digium (Solaris drivers for some PCI cards) about twenty years ago. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:12:14 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> To: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org>, vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <4da5970a-c74f-4639-b761-0f12edfa0698(a)theflynn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: > On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>> >>> Have a thread open at >>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>> >>> >>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to >>> the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>> >>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed >>> from CDL (Building 9059) >>> >>> ? * >>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>> >>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>> >>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to provide >>> analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >> No takers or interest??? > > I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering > what that was for! > > I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with > associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but unfortunately > I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend Saturday. If > someone else is able to do any needed wiring beforehand, I'm happy to > help with setting up the box remotely if needed. > > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, > using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason > T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll be > on site? Naveen, CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we offered to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we iron out the UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run the horizontal cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A.? VCF would need to address that as show set-up. Martin ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:31:26 -0400 From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <b0994d05-afe7-0954-da18-165bb7e36502(a)phreaknet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 11:11 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > On 5/17/25 11:04, N. Albert wrote: >>> > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>> > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >>> >>> ? That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >>> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. >> >> That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with >> analog phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that >> you just can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also >> uses real TDM at their conference and not SIP. > > ? Yep.? I was going to stop short of saying "SIP is a steaming pile", > but I'll go ahead and say it: "SIP is a steaming pile". +1 >> (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related >> stuff in Asterisk nowadays.) > > ? Oh, very cool.? I did some work for Digium (Solaris drivers for some > PCI cards) about twenty years ago. Neat! Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if DAHDI ran on anything besides Linux nowadays. DAHDI BSD hasn't been maintained in forever. Even on Linux, maintenance from the company has been basically nonexistent, I am doing basically all of it (and I don't work for Digium/Sangoma). The company has really gone downhill since Mark Spencer left to fly airplanes and they sold to Sangoma, they no longer have anyone on payroll that really understands the TDM stuff at all. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 15:26:18 +0000 From: Richard Cini <rich.cini(a)gmail.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Semi OT: looking for info on V25 SBC Message-ID: <DS7P223MB142458E6B401579F79C83941FB92A(a)DS7P223MB1424.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" All ? I know that there are some SBC and robotics people on-list so I thought I?d toss this question out there. I dug up an old project from the 1990?s that used a V25-based SBC from New Micros in Texas. There?s scant info available other than a 2-page spec sheet, but it seems that it ran Forth and a robotics ?monitor? from the Seattle Robotics Society. The former owner of NM passed away in 2020, so I thought I?d ask if anyone has a manual or schematics for the NMIT-0025 or NMIX-0025 boards (one version sat on a carrier board and the other was an ECB-sized board with a prototyping area). Here?s a link to the spec sheet (https://www.camelforth.com/e107_files/downloads/newmicros/product_datasheet…) If you go up the file tree, it looks like a great archive of New Micros stuff, but nothing on this board. I tried sending a message to the owner, but I get 403. So I tried to join the forum and that barfed too. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! Rich -- Rich Cini http://cini.classiccmp.org https://github.com/RichCini ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:46:40 -0400 From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> To: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org>, vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <113f8130-3d96-1893-5f64-7dd7f62b2a22(a)phreaknet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 11:12 AM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: > > On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>> >>>> Have a thread open at >>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>> >>>> >>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to >>>> the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>> >>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed >>>> from CDL (Building 9059) >>>> >>>> ? * >>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>> >>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>> >>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to >>>> provide analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>> No takers or interest??? >> >> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >> what that was for! >> >> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but unfortunately >> I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend Saturday. If >> someone else is able to do any needed wiring beforehand, I'm happy to >> help with setting up the box remotely if needed. >> >> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, >> using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason >> T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll >> be on site? > > Naveen, > > CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we offered > to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we iron out the > UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run the horizontal > cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A.? VCF would need to address > that as show set-up. Which location is 9032A on the map[1]? I can't remember where that is off hand. By resources, is the main constraint the cable itself or something else? How many tables need to be wired up and what's the size of the room? [1] https://vcfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/VCFE_2024_Location-Map.pdf ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:55:08 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> To: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org>, vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <9c411dfd-ca6d-4558-b187-8c7fcd76fd37(a)theflynn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 11:46 AM, N. Albert wrote: > On 5/17/2025 11:12 AM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >> >> On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>>> >>>>> Have a thread open at >>>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>>>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to >>>>> the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>>> >>>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and >>>>> fed from CDL (Building 9059) >>>>> >>>>> ? * >>>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>>> >>>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>>> >>>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to >>>>> provide analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>>> No takers or interest??? >>> >>> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >>> what that was for! >>> >>> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >>> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but >>> unfortunately I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend >>> Saturday. If someone else is able to do any needed wiring >>> beforehand, I'm happy to help with setting up the box remotely if >>> needed. >>> >>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, >>> using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason >>> T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll >>> be on site? >> >> Naveen, >> >> CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we >> offered to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we >> iron out the UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run >> the horizontal cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A. VCF would >> need to address that as show set-up. > > Which location is 9032A on the map[1]? I can't remember where that is > off hand. > By resources, is the main constraint the cable itself or something > else? How many tables need to be wired up and what's the size of the > room? > > [1] > https://vcfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/VCFE_2024_Location-Map.pdf Resources specifically reefers to running the horizontal cables from the furnace room to the tables / exhibits that need them, and removing them after VCF East (if not permanent and code compliant) Exhibit Setup and room size I would have to defer to Jeff Brace as the show-runner, 9032A is the big exhibit room closest to Marconi Road http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/infoage_building_number.jpg has them identified ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 12:43:27 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <6b404589-f3db-4199-9d8f-a805ff5b77ab(a)theflynn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 11:55 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > On 5/17/2025 11:46 AM, N. Albert wrote: >> On 5/17/2025 11:12 AM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>>> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>>>> Have a thread open at >>>>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>>>> >>>>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick >>>>>> and mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks >>>>>> adjacent to the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and >>>>>> fed from CDL (Building 9059) >>>>>> >>>>>> ? * >>>>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>>>> >>>>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to >>>>>> provide analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>>>> No takers or interest??? >>>> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >>>> what that was for! >>>> >>>> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >>>> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but >>>> unfortunately I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend >>>> Saturday. If someone else is able to do any needed wiring >>>> beforehand, I'm happy to help with setting up the box remotely if >>>> needed. >>>> >>>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, >>>> and using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - >>>> IMO, using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any >>>> reason T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly >>>> if it'll be on site? >>> >>> Naveen, >>> >>> CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we >>> offered to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we >>> iron out the UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run >>> the horizontal cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A. VCF would >>> need to address that as show set-up. >> >> Which location is 9032A on the map? I can't remember where that is >> off hand. >> By resources, is the main constraint the cable itself or something >> else? How many tables need to be wired up and what's the size of the >> room? >> >> https://vcfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/VCFE_2024_Location-Map.pdf > > Resources specifically refer to running the horizontal cables from the > furnace room to the tables / exhibits that need them, and removing > them after VCF East (if not permanent and code compliant) > > Exhibit Setup and room size I would have to defer to Jeff Brace as the > show-runner, > > 9032A is the big exhibit room closest to Marconi Road > > http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/infoage_building_number.jpg > has them identified If it turn out only one or two exhibitors need phone lines, I have a box of CISCO ATA191-3PW-K9 ATA that CDL set up for PoE, would be running network cable instead of analog voice to the exhibits.? With that said, would prefer to have an permanent asterisk switch on site. Martin ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 13:34:09 -0400 From: <mzstock(a)earthlink.net> To: "'vcf-midatlantic'" <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <00fc01dbc751$e7594fb0$b60bef10$(a)earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Pardon me for asking, but I'm not aware of some of your acronyms. What is TDM, SIP, and CMG with respect to this discussion. You've gotten my curiosity up, since I just heard that a local company here in the Dayton area has a pallet of Askersik phones that they are about to get rid of. Some are in original boxes that were never used. I was thinking we should get 4 or 6 to keep for our local computer museum project. Interesting discussion even though I have no experience in phone equipment. Michael Stock, Vice-President, Dayton Microcomputer Association (DMA) mzstock(a)earthlink.net Trustee, Dayton Microcomputer Association, Inc. an 501(c)3 non-profit www.dma1.org<http://www.dma1.org> -----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vcfed.org> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2025 11:11 AM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! On 5/17/25 11:04, N. Albert wrote: >> > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, >> > and using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >> >> That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >> BBSes. TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. > > That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with > analog phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that > you just can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also > uses real TDM at their conference and not SIP. Yep. I was going to stop short of saying "SIP is a steaming pile", but I'll go ahead and say it: "SIP is a steaming pile". > (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related > stuff in Asterisk nowadays.) Oh, very cool. I did some work for Digium (Solaris drivers for some PCI cards) about twenty years ago. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 14:44:49 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <a89f57b0-1ffd-424f-a72b-c53464ecced4(a)theflynn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 1:34 PM, Michael Stock via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Pardon me for asking, but I'm not aware of some of your acronyms. What is TDM, SIP, and CMG with respect to this discussion. > > You've gotten my curiosity up, since I just heard that a local company here in the Dayton area has a pallet of Askersik phones that they are about to get rid of. Some are in original boxes that were never used. > > I was thinking we should get 4 or 6 to keep for our local computer museum project. > > Interesting discussion even though I have no experience in phone equipment. > > > Michael Stock, Vice-President, Dayton Microcomputer Association (DMA) > mzstock(a)earthlink.net > Trustee, Dayton Microcomputer Association, Inc. an 501(c)3 non-profit > www.dma1.org<http://www.dma1.org> Michael, TDM (Time Division Multiplexing) Time Division Multiplexing (TDM) is a legacy method of transmitting multiple signals over a single communication channel by dividing the channel into distinct time slots, making best use of the empty spaces between other signals.? In this case, a method to squeeze 23/24 calls onto two pairs of wire (T1) CMG (Customer Media Gateway) service card provides IP services like TDM-to-IP voice conversion and routing n the ADIT600 series equipment SIP (Session Initiation Protocol) is a specific protocol used to manage the establishment, maintenance, and termination of VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) telephone calls. Re the IP phones:? Be aware that some are locked to a specific carrier, or cannot be used for SIP/VoIP without new firmware (looking at you Cisco!) Cheers, Martin ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 14:50:13 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> To: Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <ab6b8349-0549-47b1-95f8-73bff5732b01(a)theflynn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 11:01 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and > BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. Dave, If I can ask, what Linux are you running, what Asterisk release, and what channel bank? Since CDL / VCF is starting from scratch, it may be useful to go with a combination known to work. Cheers! Martin ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 01:02:23 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <5b944e34-bfb3-4a8b-af60-11ad020a563e(a)neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/25 14:50, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. > > Dave, > > If I can ask, what Linux are you running, what Asterisk release, and > what channel bank? > > Since CDL / VCF is starting from scratch, it may be useful to go with a > combination known to work. The server is running Ubuntu 22.04LTS, running Asterisk 18.10.0. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA End of vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 84, Issue 15 ***********************************************

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Save the date Festivus - Dec. 13
by Jeffrey Brace 20 May '25

20 May '25

I know that it is months away, but some people need to know far in advance. So I'm reminding everyone that Festivus will be Dec. 13 in the same usual location. I will be letting everyone know details as we get closer. Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF/MARCH Fundraising Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars!
by Dave McGuire 19 May '25

19 May '25

On 5/17/25 10:58, N. Albert via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and BBSes. TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Re: vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 84, Issue 16
by Jeffrey Golas 19 May '25

19 May '25

What about using a spare channel bank combined with iptubes devices and wifi bridge? Jeff > On May 19, 2025, at 8:00 AM, vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org wrote: > > Send vcf-midatlantic mailing list submissions to > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.vcfed.org/mailman/listinfo/vcf-midatlantic > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > vcf-midatlantic-owner(a)lists.vcfed.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of vcf-midatlantic digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (N. Albert) > 2. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (David Waybright) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 08:23:13 -0400 > From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <9c1645c0-b695-05bf-5265-568589cee178(a)phreaknet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/18/2025 1:02 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> On 5/17/25 14:50, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>> That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >>>> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. >>> >>> Dave, >>> >>> If I can ask, what Linux are you running, what Asterisk release, and >>> what channel bank? >>> >>> Since CDL / VCF is starting from scratch, it may be useful to go with >>> a combination known to work. >> >> ? The server is running Ubuntu 22.04LTS, running Asterisk 18.10.0. > > Anything recent is pretty much a combination known to work. Asterisk 18 > is already security fix only and very shortly end of life[1]. It should > be avoided in new installs. > > I would recommend just using Asterisk 22. There aren't really any > reasons to be concerned about newer versions of Asterisk anymore these > days, and there are new features and bug fixes in the more recent > versions. I say this as a developer aware of pretty much every Asterisk > change in recent years. Regressions happen time to time, but they are > just as likely to affect some arbitrary old version as a current > version, and if the former, they won't be fixed. > > You may also be interested in a tool I maintain[2] which automates the > installation of DAHDI/Asterisk (eliminating the excuse of not > upgrading), and also adds a bunch of additional features. > > [1] https://docs.asterisk.org/About-the-Project/Asterisk-Versions/ > [2] https://github.com/InterLinked1/phreakscript > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 11:39:55 +0000 > From: David Waybright <link(a)pt-solutions.org> > To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org" > <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: > <PH7PR11MB764104E308FE1D7AA91B00EEED9CA(a)PH7PR11MB7641.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > FYI to those asking about what cable to run. > > If permanent I would suggest CAT6a or 7 which would allow for multi uses of the runs! 10mb, 100mb, 1gb, or 10gb as well as regular POTS Analog Tip-Ring and even some PBX technologies like Nortel MICS. > > If temporary then run whatever you have the most of laying around! > > Thanks, > > > David Eugene Waybright > CompTIA A+, NET+, & Security+ Technician > Crestron Certified CIV-E Intelligent Video Engineer, CIV-D Intelligent Video Designer & CIV-S Intelligent Video Specialist > Crestron Certified Masters Technology Architect; Core, Flex, DMC-D-4K & E-4K, SCT-R & C, DCT-R & C, TCT-R & C AVMM Engineer; Audio & Shades Technician > Extron Certified A/V Associate > > IT Operations & Secure Infrastructure Specialist > > > Tesla Referral Code: https://ts.la/david55244 Please use my referral for a free demo drive, also $500 Off + 3 mo. 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Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) > 2. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (N. Albert) > 3. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Dave McGuire) > 4. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (N. Albert) > 5. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Dave McGuire) > 6. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) > 7. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (N. Albert) > 8. Semi OT: looking for info on V25 SBC (Richard Cini) > 9. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (N. Albert) > 10. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) > 11. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) > 12. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (mzstock(a)earthlink.net) > 13. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) > 14. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) > 15. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Dave McGuire) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 10:35:58 -0400 > From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <02af2e9f-9ea4-4f9f-8e59-b0f103fbb2e9(a)theflynn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >> >> Have a thread open at >> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >> >> >> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to the >> main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >> >> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) service >> cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans Backbone, >> however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed from CDL >> (Building 9059) >> >> * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >> <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet…> >> * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >> <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg> >> >> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to provide >> analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? > No takers or interest??? > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 10:58:26 -0400 > From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <792a1194-fa6d-d180-1b70-f6a3bbd3b30d(a)phreaknet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>> >>> Have a thread open at >>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>> >>> >>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to the >>> main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>> >>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) service >>> cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans Backbone, >>> however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed from CDL >>> (Building 9059) >>> >>> ? * >>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>> <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet…> >>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>> <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg> >>> >>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to provide >>> analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >> No takers or interest??? > > I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering what > that was for! > > I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with > associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but unfortunately > I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend Saturday. If someone > else is able to do any needed wiring beforehand, I'm happy to help with > setting up the box remotely if needed. > > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, using > SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason T1s can't > be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll be on site? > > NA > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:01:37 -0400 > From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <abda09dc-e6bb-425e-aefe-81bfbb1c66ac(a)neurotica.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/25 10:58, N. Albert via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank > > That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and > BBSes. TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:04:54 -0400 > From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <9019d934-6700-9bfb-b413-bb41ca1c8df2(a)phreaknet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 11:01 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> On 5/17/25 10:58, N. Albert via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >> >> ? That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. > > That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with analog > phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that you just > can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also uses real > TDM at their conference and not SIP. > (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related stuff > in Asterisk nowadays.) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:11:11 -0400 > From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <fe9b2194-0939-4acb-88fc-4e4235c5700d(a)neurotica.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 5/17/25 11:04, N. Albert wrote: >>>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>>> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >>> >>> ? That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >>> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. >> >> That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with analog >> phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that you just >> can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also uses real >> TDM at their conference and not SIP. > > Yep. I was going to stop short of saying "SIP is a steaming pile", > but I'll go ahead and say it: "SIP is a steaming pile". > >> (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related stuff >> in Asterisk nowadays.) > > Oh, very cool. I did some work for Digium (Solaris drivers for some > PCI cards) about twenty years ago. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:12:14 -0400 > From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> > To: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org>, vcf-midatlantic > <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <4da5970a-c74f-4639-b761-0f12edfa0698(a)theflynn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > >> On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>> >>>> Have a thread open at >>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>> >>>> >>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to >>>> the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>> >>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed >>>> from CDL (Building 9059) >>>> >>>> ? * >>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>> >>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>> >>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to provide >>>> analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>> No takers or interest??? >> >> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >> what that was for! >> >> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but unfortunately >> I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend Saturday. If >> someone else is able to do any needed wiring beforehand, I'm happy to >> help with setting up the box remotely if needed. >> >> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, >> using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason >> T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll be >> on site? > > Naveen, > > CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we offered > to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we iron out the > UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run the horizontal > cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A.? VCF would need to address > that as show set-up. > > Martin > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:31:26 -0400 > From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <b0994d05-afe7-0954-da18-165bb7e36502(a)phreaknet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 11:11 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> On 5/17/25 11:04, N. Albert wrote: >>>>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>>>> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >>>> >>>> ? That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >>>> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. >>> >>> That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with >>> analog phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that >>> you just can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also >>> uses real TDM at their conference and not SIP. >> >> ? Yep.? I was going to stop short of saying "SIP is a steaming pile", >> but I'll go ahead and say it: "SIP is a steaming pile". > > +1 > >>> (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related >>> stuff in Asterisk nowadays.) >> >> ? Oh, very cool.? I did some work for Digium (Solaris drivers for some >> PCI cards) about twenty years ago. > > Neat! Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if DAHDI ran on anything besides > Linux nowadays. DAHDI BSD hasn't been maintained in forever. Even on > Linux, maintenance from the company has been basically nonexistent, I am > doing basically all of it (and I don't work for Digium/Sangoma). The > company has really gone downhill since Mark Spencer left to fly > airplanes and they sold to Sangoma, they no longer have anyone on > payroll that really understands the TDM stuff at all. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 15:26:18 +0000 > From: Richard Cini <rich.cini(a)gmail.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Semi OT: looking for info on V25 SBC > Message-ID: > <DS7P223MB142458E6B401579F79C83941FB92A(a)DS7P223MB1424.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > All ? > > I know that there are some SBC and robotics people on-list so I thought I?d toss this question out there. I dug up an old project from the 1990?s that used a V25-based SBC from New Micros in Texas. There?s scant info available other than a 2-page spec sheet, but it seems that it ran Forth and a robotics ?monitor? from the Seattle Robotics Society. The former owner of NM passed away in 2020, so I thought I?d ask if anyone has a manual or schematics for the NMIT-0025 or NMIX-0025 boards (one version sat on a carrier board and the other was an ECB-sized board with a prototyping area). Here?s a link to the spec sheet (https://www.camelforth.com/e107_files/downloads/newmicros/product_datasheet…) If you go up the file tree, it looks like a great archive of New Micros stuff, but nothing on this board. I tried sending a message to the owner, but I get 403. So I tried to join the forum and that barfed too. > > Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! > > Rich > > -- > Rich Cini > http://cini.classiccmp.org > https://github.com/RichCini > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:46:40 -0400 > From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> > To: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org>, vcf-midatlantic > <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <113f8130-3d96-1893-5f64-7dd7f62b2a22(a)phreaknet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 11:12 AM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >> >>> On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>>> >>>>> Have a thread open at >>>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>>>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to >>>>> the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>>> >>>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed >>>>> from CDL (Building 9059) >>>>> >>>>> ? * >>>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>>> >>>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>>> >>>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to >>>>> provide analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>>> No takers or interest??? >>> >>> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >>> what that was for! >>> >>> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >>> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but unfortunately >>> I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend Saturday. If >>> someone else is able to do any needed wiring beforehand, I'm happy to >>> help with setting up the box remotely if needed. >>> >>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, >>> using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason >>> T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll >>> be on site? >> >> Naveen, >> >> CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we offered >> to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we iron out the >> UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run the horizontal >> cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A.? VCF would need to address >> that as show set-up. > > Which location is 9032A on the map[1]? I can't remember where that is > off hand. > By resources, is the main constraint the cable itself or something else? > How many tables need to be wired up and what's the size of the room? > > [1] https://vcfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/VCFE_2024_Location-Map.pdf > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:55:08 -0400 > From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> > To: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org>, vcf-midatlantic > <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <9c411dfd-ca6d-4558-b187-8c7fcd76fd37(a)theflynn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > >> On 5/17/2025 11:46 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 11:12 AM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>> >>> On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>>> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Have a thread open at >>>>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>>>>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to >>>>>> the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>>>> >>>>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and >>>>>> fed from CDL (Building 9059) >>>>>> >>>>>> ? * >>>>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>>>> >>>>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to >>>>>> provide analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>>>> No takers or interest??? >>>> >>>> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >>>> what that was for! >>>> >>>> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >>>> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but >>>> unfortunately I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend >>>> Saturday. If someone else is able to do any needed wiring >>>> beforehand, I'm happy to help with setting up the box remotely if >>>> needed. >>>> >>>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>>> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, >>>> using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason >>>> T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll >>>> be on site? >>> >>> Naveen, >>> >>> CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we >>> offered to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we >>> iron out the UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run >>> the horizontal cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A. VCF would >>> need to address that as show set-up. >> >> Which location is 9032A on the map[1]? I can't remember where that is >> off hand. >> By resources, is the main constraint the cable itself or something >> else? How many tables need to be wired up and what's the size of the >> room? >> >> [1] >> https://vcfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/VCFE_2024_Location-Map.pdf > > Resources specifically reefers to running the horizontal cables from the > furnace room to the tables / exhibits that need them, and removing them > after VCF East (if not permanent and code compliant) > > Exhibit Setup and room size I would have to defer to Jeff Brace as the > show-runner, > > 9032A is the big exhibit room closest to Marconi Road > > http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/infoage_building_number.jpg > has them identified > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 12:43:27 -0400 > From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <6b404589-f3db-4199-9d8f-a805ff5b77ab(a)theflynn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 11:55 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 11:46 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 11:12 AM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>> On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>>>> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>>>>> Have a thread open at >>>>>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick >>>>>>> and mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks >>>>>>> adjacent to the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>>>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>>>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>>>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and >>>>>>> fed from CDL (Building 9059) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? * >>>>>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to >>>>>>> provide analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>>>>> No takers or interest??? >>>>> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >>>>> what that was for! >>>>> >>>>> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >>>>> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but >>>>> unfortunately I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend >>>>> Saturday. If someone else is able to do any needed wiring >>>>> beforehand, I'm happy to help with setting up the box remotely if >>>>> needed. >>>>> >>>>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, >>>>> and using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - >>>>> IMO, using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any >>>>> reason T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly >>>>> if it'll be on site? >>>> >>>> Naveen, >>>> >>>> CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we >>>> offered to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we >>>> iron out the UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run >>>> the horizontal cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A. VCF would >>>> need to address that as show set-up. >>> >>> Which location is 9032A on the map? I can't remember where that is >>> off hand. >>> By resources, is the main constraint the cable itself or something >>> else? How many tables need to be wired up and what's the size of the >>> room? >>> >>> https://vcfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/VCFE_2024_Location-Map.pdf >> >> Resources specifically refer to running the horizontal cables from the >> furnace room to the tables / exhibits that need them, and removing >> them after VCF East (if not permanent and code compliant) >> >> Exhibit Setup and room size I would have to defer to Jeff Brace as the >> show-runner, >> >> 9032A is the big exhibit room closest to Marconi Road >> >> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/infoage_building_number.jpg >> has them identified > > If it turn out only one or two exhibitors need phone lines, I have a box > of CISCO ATA191-3PW-K9 ATA that CDL set up for PoE, would be running > network cable instead of analog voice to the exhibits.? With that said, > would prefer to have an permanent asterisk switch on site. > > Martin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 13:34:09 -0400 > From: <mzstock(a)earthlink.net> > To: "'vcf-midatlantic'" <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <00fc01dbc751$e7594fb0$b60bef10$(a)earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Pardon me for asking, but I'm not aware of some of your acronyms. What is TDM, SIP, and CMG with respect to this discussion. > > You've gotten my curiosity up, since I just heard that a local company here in the Dayton area has a pallet of Askersik phones that they are about to get rid of. Some are in original boxes that were never used. > > I was thinking we should get 4 or 6 to keep for our local computer museum project. > > Interesting discussion even though I have no experience in phone equipment. > > > Michael Stock, Vice-President, Dayton Microcomputer Association (DMA) > mzstock(a)earthlink.net > Trustee, Dayton Microcomputer Association, Inc. an 501(c)3 non-profit > www.dma1.org<http://www.dma1.org> > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vcfed.org> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2025 11:11 AM > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Cc: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > > On 5/17/25 11:04, N. Albert wrote: >>>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, >>>> and using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >>> >>> That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >>> BBSes. TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. >> >> That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with >> analog phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that >> you just can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also >> uses real TDM at their conference and not SIP. > > Yep. I was going to stop short of saying "SIP is a steaming pile", but I'll go ahead and say it: "SIP is a steaming pile". > >> (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related >> stuff in Asterisk nowadays.) > > Oh, very cool. I did some work for Digium (Solaris drivers for some PCI cards) about twenty years ago. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 14:44:49 -0400 > From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <a89f57b0-1ffd-424f-a72b-c53464ecced4(a)theflynn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 1:34 PM, Michael Stock via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> Pardon me for asking, but I'm not aware of some of your acronyms. What is TDM, SIP, and CMG with respect to this discussion. >> >> You've gotten my curiosity up, since I just heard that a local company here in the Dayton area has a pallet of Askersik phones that they are about to get rid of. Some are in original boxes that were never used. >> >> I was thinking we should get 4 or 6 to keep for our local computer museum project. >> >> Interesting discussion even though I have no experience in phone equipment. >> >> >> Michael Stock, Vice-President, Dayton Microcomputer Association (DMA) >> mzstock(a)earthlink.net >> Trustee, Dayton Microcomputer Association, Inc. an 501(c)3 non-profit >> www.dma1.org<http://www.dma1.org> > > Michael, > > TDM (Time Division Multiplexing) Time Division Multiplexing (TDM) is a > legacy method of transmitting multiple signals over a single > communication channel by dividing the channel into distinct time slots, > making best use of the empty spaces between other signals.? In this > case, a method to squeeze 23/24 calls onto two pairs of wire (T1) > > CMG (Customer Media Gateway) service card provides IP services like > TDM-to-IP voice conversion and routing n the ADIT600 series equipment > > SIP (Session Initiation Protocol) is a specific protocol used to manage > the establishment, maintenance, and termination of VoIP (Voice over > Internet Protocol) telephone calls. > > Re the IP phones:? Be aware that some are locked to a specific carrier, > or cannot be used for SIP/VoIP without new firmware (looking at you Cisco!) > > Cheers, > > Martin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 14:50:13 -0400 > From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> > To: Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <ab6b8349-0549-47b1-95f8-73bff5732b01(a)theflynn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 11:01 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. > > Dave, > > If I can ask, what Linux are you running, what Asterisk release, and > what channel bank? > > Since CDL / VCF is starting from scratch, it may be useful to go with a > combination known to work. > > Cheers! > > Martin > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 01:02:23 -0400 > From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <5b944e34-bfb3-4a8b-af60-11ad020a563e(a)neurotica.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 5/17/25 14:50, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >>> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. >> >> Dave, >> >> If I can ask, what Linux are you running, what Asterisk release, and >> what channel bank? >> >> Since CDL / VCF is starting from scratch, it may be useful to go with a >> combination known to work. > > The server is running Ubuntu 22.04LTS, running Asterisk 18.10.0. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > > > End of vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 84, Issue 15 > *********************************************** > > > End of vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 84, Issue 16 > ***********************************************

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VCF East 2026 mark your calendars!
by Jeffrey Brace 17 May '25

17 May '25

https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner MARCH Fundraising Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Semi OT: looking for info on V25 SBC
by Richard Cini 17 May '25

17 May '25

All – I know that there are some SBC and robotics people on-list so I thought I’d toss this question out there. I dug up an old project from the 1990’s that used a V25-based SBC from New Micros in Texas. There’s scant info available other than a 2-page spec sheet, but it seems that it ran Forth and a robotics “monitor” from the Seattle Robotics Society. The former owner of NM passed away in 2020, so I thought I’d ask if anyone has a manual or schematics for the NMIT-0025 or NMIX-0025 boards (one version sat on a carrier board and the other was an ECB-sized board with a prototyping area). Here’s a link to the spec sheet (https://www.camelforth.com/e107_files/downloads/newmicros/product_datasheet…) If you go up the file tree, it looks like a great archive of New Micros stuff, but nothing on this board. I tried sending a message to the owner, but I get 403. So I tried to join the forum and that barfed too. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! Rich -- Rich Cini http://cini.classiccmp.org https://github.com/RichCini

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Swap Meet volunteers still needed!!! June 7
by Jeffrey Brace 16 May '25

16 May '25

The swap meet is June 7 in the parking lot across from Brookdale Vendor Setup: 7AM General Public at 8AM. Info is here: https://vcfed.org/vcf-swap-meet/ *Volunteers are still needed !!!* *Friday: (June 6) (around 5PM to 7PM)* Loading Truck: Jeff Brace, Maki Kato, *(1 more needed)* *Saturday: (June 7)* *Setup (6AM)*: Ben K, Rich Bauman, Andrew Mattera, RJ Clark, Joe Giliberti, Jeff B Entrance: RJ Clark Admissions: Jeff B *(need 2 more)* Front Desk: Jeff B, Bill Dudley *(need 1)* Parking: Rich B, *(need 2 more)* Exit: Maki Kato Breakdown: Andrew, RJ, Joe Giliberti, Vincent B, David G, Jeff B Contact me if you're interested in being a volunteer. Jeff Brace

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT - Anyone going to Holmdel on May 15?
by Bill Degnan 16 May '25

16 May '25

There’s a 6300 for sale on Kennettclassic.com/surplus/ On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 8:08 PM Hopkins, Justin via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Ha. I wish. > I didn’t go because I DIDNT see a keyboard and know they are a pain to > find in working condition and would rather buy a complete system… > . > So whoever bought it, it wasn’t me… > > > ________________________________ > From: Sentrytv <sentrytv(a)yahoo.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2025 7:03:21 PM > To: Hopkins, Justin <Justin.Hopkins(a)broadridge.com> > Cc: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org>; vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT - Anyone going to Holmdel on May 15? > > Did you purchase the AT&T computer? Because I have two 6300 keyboards That > I purchased a while back Mike Rosen Sent from: My extremely complicated, > hand held electronic device. On May 15, 2025, at 6: 46 PM, Hopkins, Justin > <Justin. Hopkins@ broadridge. com> > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > Did you purchase the AT&T computer? > Because I have two 6300 keyboards > That I purchased a while back > Mike Rosen > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > > On May 15, 2025, at 6:46 PM, Hopkins, Justin < > Justin.Hopkins(a)broadridge.com> wrote: > > > was the keyboard for the 6300 around anywhere? > it could have been mixed up with a different PC, but wasn’t identifiable > in any photo. > > > ________________________________ > From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vcfed.org> on behalf > of Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2025 2:21:04 PM > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> > Cc: Sentrytv <sentrytv(a)yahoo.com>; vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] OT - Anyone going to Holmdel on May 15? > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by > e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by > e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT - Anyone going to Holmdel on May 15?
by Hopkins, Justin 15 May '25

15 May '25

was the keyboard for the 6300 around anywhere? it could have been mixed up with a different PC, but wasn’t identifiable in any photo. ________________________________ From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vcfed.org> on behalf of Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2025 2:21:04 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Cc: Sentrytv <sentrytv(a)yahoo.com>; vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] OT - Anyone going to Holmdel on May 15? This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.

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OT - Anyone going to Holmdel on May 15?
by Sentrytv 15 May '25

15 May '25

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Fwd: Tandy 1000EX
by Chris Fala 15 May '25

15 May '25

Hey Jim, if this is still available, I would be interested. Chris On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 12:28 AM RETRO Innovations via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Not sure if anyone in the MARCH area is interested in a NIB Tandy 1000EX > system, but if so, I am happy to put you in touch with this seller. > > > If the pics don't make it, email me directly. Looks like a: > > * NIB DMP 130 (26-1280) > * NIB 1000EX (25-1050) > * NIB 360kB External Drive (25-1060) > * NIB RGB Monitor (25-1023) (this box looks a bit right on top, the > rest look pristine) > > Jim > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Hello Jim! Erie, PA 16510. I am attaching some pics, the purchase > receipt was May ‘87. I bet he plugged them in and never used them. He > was kinda that way. I’ve seen pieces separate and together online for > sale ranging in price hundreds to thousands so not sure what to ask. > The local computer store I deal with said to find a vintage tandy > group on Facebook :) I’d like to see them go to someone with interest :) > > Thank you! > Mary Graziano > image6.jpegimage7.jpegimage8.jpegimage9.jpeg > > > > -- > RETRO Innovations, Contemporary Gear for Classic Systems > www.go4retro.com > store.go4retro.com >

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Fwd: Tandy 1000EX
by RETRO Innovations 15 May '25

15 May '25

Not sure if anyone in the MARCH area is interested in a NIB Tandy 1000EX system, but if so, I am happy to put you in touch with this seller. If the pics don't make it, email me directly. Looks like a: * NIB DMP 130 (26-1280) * NIB 1000EX (25-1050) * NIB 360kB External Drive (25-1060) * NIB RGB Monitor (25-1023) (this box looks a bit right on top, the rest look pristine) Jim -------- Forwarded Message -------- Hello Jim! Erie, PA 16510. I am attaching some pics, the purchase receipt was May ‘87. I bet he plugged them in and never used them. He was kinda that way. I’ve seen pieces separate and together online for sale ranging in price hundreds to thousands so not sure what to ask. The local computer store I deal with said to find a vintage tandy group on Facebook :) I’d like to see them go to someone with interest :) Thank you! Mary Graziano image6.jpegimage7.jpegimage8.jpegimage9.jpeg -- RETRO Innovations, Contemporary Gear for Classic Systems www.go4retro.com store.go4retro.com

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Please comment on draft Vintage Computer Quiz (Derrik Walker)
by bernieS 13 May '25

13 May '25

At 08:00 AM 5/12/2025, vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org wrote: >Send vcf-midatlantic mailing list submissions to > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Please comment on draft Vintage Computer Quiz (Derrik Walker) Which computer is faster, The Cray-1 (left) or the Apple iPhone 16 (right)? I suggest including the year that the CRAY-1 (properly ALL CAPS) was first made available and its approximate cost adjusted for inflation--along with the same info about the iPhone 16--so people can better view these two computers in context.

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Vintage Computer Podcasts
by Jeffrey Brace 12 May '25

12 May '25

I'm making a list of Vintage Computer Podcasts that are still streaming content as well as retired. Does anyone have any more to contribute to the list? Dan Wood The Retro Hour https://theretrohour.com/ Vintage Gaming Randall Kindig Floppy Days https://floppydays.libsyn.com/ Vintage Computing Pete Cetinski TRS-80 Trash Talk https://www.trs80trashtalk.com/ TRS-80 Paul Hagstrom & Mike Maginnis' Drop III Inches https://drop-iii-inches.com/ Apple 3 Em Maginnis and Quinn Dunki Open Apple https://www.open-apple.net/ Apple Todd George, Rob Clark, Earl Evans Chicken Lips Radio https://www.chickenlipsradio.org/ Commodore James Savage and John Leake Retro MacCast https://retromaccast.libsyn.com/ Macintosh Randy Kindig, Kay Savetz, Brad Arnold Antic https://ataripodcast.libsyn.com/ Atari Thanks! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF/MARCH Fundraising Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Please comment on draft Vintage Computer Quiz
by Herbert Johnson 12 May '25

12 May '25

My read in 2008 about "the first personal computer" is on the Web link below. Not to argue about it, but as an example of how there's no single answer to most vintage computer general questions. And I'll offer a quiz question and answer too. https://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/altair_first.html I leaned on the "Altair is first" and also I dialog with someone's "first" Web page on another site. Their page is well researched and comes up with interesting candidates. http://www.blinkenlights.com/pc.shtml Let's be clear: there's no "first personal computer". There are candidates over time where some number of individuals *could* own some programmable device. Or: there's firsts when you qualify some target product, as in "first to offer X Y Z". A particular qualification is quantity produced. That suggests, that personal computing is a generational experience. Generations of hardware & software, generations of people, and of course different nations and cultures than the United States. There's 50 years of microprocessors now; but computers were made by other means too. So a lot of questions about vintage computing, depend on your own vintage. If this is about personal history, that's no surprise, is it? My impression is that Bob is covering the generational differences by not insisting on one correct answer for some questions. His apparent point is to inform, amuse, and puzzle - not score the most points or to indoctrinate about what's right. Here's a candidate question. "What personal computing product was first to include a complete set of personal-use software on a complete system?" A familiar answer is, the Osborne 1 computer. Adam Osborne bundled (that's the term I think was used) CP/M, BASIC, a spreadsheet, a word processor, I think a terminal/modem program, and later a database. The computer included a monitor and keyboard and floppy drives; in fact it was a luggable computer (as in luggage). At $1795 in 1981, it helped to establish a near-$2000 price for a bundled personal computer system which lasted into the 1990's or so. There's earlier computers that had some base software & hardware included, just fewer packages or less peripherals or extra-cost. Kaypro offered a similar product not long after the Osborne 1. But even today, Microsoft Office is still a very similar set of programs to the Osborne bundle. regards Herb -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA https://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net

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GameStop Switch Display Frame
by Bill Degnan 12 May '25

12 May '25

https://www.facebook.com/share/1ENWko3nAD/?mibextid=wwXIfr $500. Maybe you can talk the seller down a little. BUT.. historically someday someone in MARCH or similar group would want this in their museum … knowing how rare similar Atari displays are today, 40 years later. Made to have visual appeal. this Nintendo in-store display is still in good shape. Not an item for me but always best to be ahead of the curve when collecting things. This is a future exhibit someone with the means or dedication to their niche in the hobby should pick up Bill

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Reminder: Kennett Classic Workshop May 17th
by Bill Degnan 12 May '25

12 May '25

https://www.kennettclassic.com/workshop-scheduled-for-may-17th/ Register today. This workshop is being held at Greg D's house, it's located in the Jennersville / Oxford PA area (South Eastern Chester County, PA) about 20 mins from Newark, Delaware or Longwood Gardens. The theme for the event is the IBM PC/XT/Clone class computer but all machines are welcome. Full address will be sent to registered guests. Persons purchasing items form the KC surplus sale can have their items delivered to the event. ( kennettclassic.com/surplus) See you there! Bill

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NOT OT PDP 12 on Facebook for sale?
by Sentrytv 09 May '25

09 May '25

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] NOT OT PDP 12 on Facebook for sale?
by Jeffrey Brace 09 May '25

09 May '25

On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 10:34 AM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Perusing through Facebook pages I found that there is a PDP 12 that was on > one of the retro computer groups that has a PDP 12 for sale as well as > other things for some reason I can’t get the link to work. Maybe you guys > can figure out where it is. > I know somebody here would be interested > I did put in one of the comments that they should contact VCF. > If they want to donate to VCF, then great, but we don't buy artifacts. We could however refer them to forum.vcfed.org for posting to sell. > > Mike > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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VCF MidWest 2025 (XX)
by Jeffrey Brace 09 May '25

09 May '25

Who's going to VCF MidWest this year? Who's driving? I plan on going there and representing VCF and getting two tables. I plan on flying there and staying two nights Friday and Saturday and leaving Sunday afternoon. Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF/MARCH Fundraising Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Anyone going to Holmdel on May 15?
by Sentrytv 09 May '25

09 May '25

Please explain Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > On Apr 8, 2025, at 9:47 AM, Hopkins, Justin via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >

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NOT OT PDP 12 on Facebook for sale?
by Sentrytv 09 May '25

09 May '25

Perusing through Facebook pages I found that there is a PDP 12 that was on one of the retro computer groups that has a PDP 12 for sale as well as other things for some reason I can’t get the link to work. Maybe you guys can figure out where it is. I know somebody here would be interested I did put in one of the comments that they should contact VCF. Mike Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.

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OT: Mid year Model Train show @ InfoAge May 10, 11, 14, 17, 18, 21, 24, 25 12-5PM
by Jeffrey Brace 09 May '25

09 May '25

InfoAge Science and History Museums @Camp Evans National Historic Landmark New Jersey’s WW II Living Memorial 2201 Marconi Road, Wall, New Jersey 732-280-3000 Admission Adults $12 -$8 for ages 12 and younger Includes access to all Museums Is Proud To Announce That We Are Hosting May 10,11,14,17,18,21,24,25 12-5PM A Mid-Year Model Train Show!! Can’t wait for our Christmas and Holiday Train Show? Come see our new mid-year extravaganza as we host the Raritan Valley Hi-Railers during the month of May!! In addition, we will be operating our own Garden State Central HO Railroad, an S Scale modular railroad, and our hands-on Lionel layout.” The Hi-Railers will be showcasing a 20’ x 60’ modular O Scale railroad featuring a 4-track mainline with a multitude of operational industries and buildings and thousands of lights. To get an idea of what will be on display, Google ‘Raritan Valley Hi-Railers” and watch their YouTube videos. Scene from the Raritan Valley Scene from the Garden State Central Come see the Garden State Central’s fascinating journey as the main line travels from Jersey City, NJ to the coal fields of Wilkes Barre, PA and many points in between as the railroad begins to get close to completion. Although still under construction the trains will be running from the docks at Jersey City to Bethlehem Steel. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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OT: Unseen Signals exhibit @ InfoAge May 25 to Dec. 28
by Jeffrey Brace 09 May '25

09 May '25

I'm letting everyone know that the IEEE will be setting up an exhibit entitled "David Armstrong: Unseen Signals" exhibit in 9010-D (Men's bunkroom) starting May 25th to Dec. 28th at InfoAge. It was previously at the National Industrial Museum in Bethlehem, PA. It will be in the exhibit room that we called 2E during VCF East 2025. Enjoy! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF/MARCH Fundraising Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Swap Meet Help Needed (June 6 & 7)
by Jeffrey Brace 08 May '25

08 May '25

It takes a village to run an event. I only have 3 volunteers committed so far for the swap meet: myself, Andrew Mattera, RJ Clark. That's not enough. I don't have the help of the Sea Cadets because their new Commander is still getting used to the new position. So .... I need MARCH/VCF members to step up and help. I'm not going to continue killing myself doing all the work with a small number of volunteers. I just need a little help from each osso that we can all enjoy the event. I will just cancel the event if I don't get enough volunteers. I need 3 volunteers on Friday, June 6. I need 16 volunteers on Saturday, June 7. Here are the tasks, number of people needed, days and times: TASK # START END FRIDAY Load Truck 3 17:00 20:00 SATURDAY Setup 3 06:00 07:00 Entrance 1 07:00 14:00 Admissions 2 07:00 14:00 Front Desk 2 07:00 14:00 Parking Directors 3 07:00 14:00 Exit 1 07:00 14:00 Breakdown 4 14:00 15:00 E-mail me with your availability and preference. Thanks! Jeff Brace VCF/MARCH Fundraising Manager

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Macintosh TV for sale in Rochester
by Jeffrey Brace 08 May '25

08 May '25

Someone called VCF's landline looking for ideas on where to sell Macintosh TV and a Mac Plus. If anyone is interested, then I can forward you his contact info. Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF/MARCH Fundraising Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OTish: Any Core2duo desktops super reliable?
by Kenneth Seefried 06 May '25

06 May '25

> From: Kenneth Gober <kgober(a)gmail.com> > > In my experience, the Dell OptiPlex 745 and 755 lines have been very solid. > > Can confirm that Dell Optiplex machines from the LGA775 era seem pretty reliable. In addition to having a couple of thousand pass through our company back in the day, I still have several Dell Optiplex 960 desktop FF in a mix of Core Duo and Quad that are my regular 'crash and burn' machines (and a couple of later Optiplex i7-860s); they aren't exactly treated gently. Despite the abuse, they have never given me any trouble. The only real downside I run into if you want to call it that is the 8GB memory limit on that generation of kit. YMMV. And no, mine have never needed a recap. That is not a foregone conclusion. KJ

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OTish: Any Core2duo desktops super reliable?
by Ethan O'Toole 05 May '25

05 May '25

> On any older Systems, such as these, you will have to recap the power > supply and the motherboard that is typical of components this age > Expect that when you go looking I am trying to avoid that work, at least for the short term. Have two CRT monitors to recap from the games, and one has HV arcing as well. Never used corona dope before but I might get my chance here. 78 capacitors on those Wells Gardner D9200s, and I have yet to figure out how to extract the monitors from the game cabinets. When it comes to motherboards, it's probably 3 bucks for a 3300uf 6.3v these days! - Ethan

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OTish: Any Core2duo desktops super reliable?
by therenguy 05 May '25

05 May '25

I would like to remove myself from this mailing list. Would someone tell me how to do that. Dr. Randy M. Kaplan the renguy On May 5, 2025 at 9:55 AM -0400, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org>, wrote:

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Swap Meet June 7, 2025 @ InfoAge
by Jeffrey Brace 05 May '25

05 May '25

https://vcfed.org/vcf-swap-meet/ *CLICK HERE FOR VENDOR Registration* <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScVH2pMWrQt4yeNTwHdohC4Om_g1MdaNJc…> Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF/MARCH Fundraising Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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OTish: Any Core2duo desktops super reliable?
by Ethan O'Toole 05 May '25

05 May '25

Any advice as to core2duo desktops that have really reliable components? I have two Dell E520 type desktops where I did some custom hacks to get Windows XPe installed to run software. XPe is embedded, so it's driver stripped. Any known reliable PCs that are Core2duo or maybe P4? Thinkcenter? HP/Compaq? Some other brand? Needs 6 channel audio, ethernet, ability to put in a lower end older NVidia card (Original was AGP but had it running on a PCIe one.) Curious if there is anything out there that should still be working today without issue. I have old P4 Compaq SFF that I use for disk imaging that has been strong. Longer story: Originally the computers were DFI I believe, and I forget the motherboard model but I still have something close enough. These are for arcade games, Need for Speed/Need for Speed underground. I had them running fine on the Dells pre-covid but now one isn't happy. It's blue screening when it boots into XPe, but passes memtest86+. the PSU has swollen caps, and the mobo had two bad ones. I replaced the bad ones, still blue screens. Time is tight so looking for alts. I think original was P4, but Core2duo is fine. 6 channel audio is needed, ethernet, and USB. Intel chipset is desired because I know I can install the XP copy of the chipset drivers in XPe on the original motherboard then move the drive into the new machine.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Past VCF Photo Galleries
by Jeffrey Brace 04 May '25

04 May '25

On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 8:20 PM Alexander Pierson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Mike, > > > Does your q7.neurotica.com site contain all of the older galleries you > used to keep on your previous website? I ask because in my travels of > gathering up links, I've found atleast half a dozen references to your old > website, but so far they're all for things that I already had the newer > version of on my directory. > > > Since posting about the page publicly, I've received no less than 4 dozen > new links so far. We're down to about 9 domestic events I'm missing > something from as of right now. Sadly, records from European events are > rather spotty, and I'm not sure who might have stuff from those events to > fill in those gaps. Either way, keep 'em coming! > I have some contacts with the european events. Here are some from VCF GB: https://www.facebook.com/vcfgb/photos_albums > > > Thanks, > > > -Alexander 'Z' Pierson >

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Signup Sheet for MARCH Repair Workshop - June 7-8
by Jeff Salzman 04 May '25

04 May '25

Here is the signup sheet for the upcoming MARCH Repair Workshop for Saturday and Sunday, June 7-8, 2025. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LnfIzE2RH6EAPVMhQwnYPIyqi5mOL9BCSjZ… Note that this coincides with the VCF/MARCH Swap Meet that runs in the morning of June 7. https://vcfed.org/vcf-swap-meet/ Below are signup sheets for the other MARCH Workshops this year, in case you want to get a head start on reserving a space for future events. July 12-13: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q0gBzeCUCYCjWWvyDh_2BqHSfl6ADPFO_EK… August 9-10: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hT8BFEpNLZLa5ibWOG7sGZDzkd5S6Mmd13I… September 6-7: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19Ngyq02l57Z3oEFSoQ24JXXuegF3goNNuJF… October 18-19: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VjEFJF7lxYFgcdQk0OeNWjof1ZhrpYRPDqj… November 15-16: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZZNkZB6MGB-xPF-LVwmzkpKP4dxqZWazqcA…

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Past VCF Photo Galleries
by Ethan Dicks 03 May '25

03 May '25

On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 1:44 AM Alexander Pierson via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > I don't know about you, but I find myself looking at photos of past VCFs for a number of reasons, and not just photos I took, or from events I attended. It affords us an opportunity to see community members, speakers, exhibitors, etc. who might no longer be with us. Yes! > So I made a directory of all the links I could find from every VCF I could find: > > https://www.commodorez.com/vcfarcgal.html Funny thing - I stumbled across this a few days ago on my own searches for VCFs past. My own goal was to populate a list of shows I've attended, and where I've presented or exhibited, on what. Your archives and links were most helpful! I'm still trying to track down a couple of data points - the oldest VCF East shows don't have show dates on the VCF archive pages. In particular, I'm missing dates for 3.0/2006, 5.0/2008, and 6.0/2009 (my own first VCF East wasn't until 2012). I have a quantity of pictures myself, but not (yet) sorted into albums, etc. I'm happy to find some place to post them for all. Thank you for pulling all this together! It's a fantastic historical resource. -ethan

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Anniversaries of MARCH/Vintage Computer Festival/Vintage Computer Federation
by jritzman＠neo.rr.com 02 May '25

02 May '25

REMOVE -----------------------------------------From: "Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic" To: "vcf-midatlantic" Cc: "Jeffrey Brace" Sent: Wednesday April 30 2025 1:10:18PM Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Anniversaries of MARCH/Vintage Computer Festival/Vintage Computer Federation On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 10:35 AM David Gesswein via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Not sure which this is. From old email > That would be *MUSEUM 2.0*. VCF East 5.0 - September 13-14, 2008 That's the day that I joined this group as an attendee! > Highlights of VCF East 5.0 include a presentation by Bill Mauchly, son > of computer pioneer and ENIAC co-inventor John Mauchly, as well as the > grand opening of the MARCH Grabbe Computer Museum at the InfoAge > Learning Center. > > > -=/ VCF East 5.0 Speaker Schedule /=- > > Saturday, September 13 > > Time Speaker Topic > -------- ---------------- ------------------------------------------ > ... > 1:15 PM Evan Koblentz MARCH - Grabbe Computer Museum Opening > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 10:24:04AM -0400, Jeffrey Brace via > vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > *2025* > > 20th VCF East > > 20th VCF Midwest > > 20th VCF West (originally not called West) > > 20th Anniversary of MARCH museum opening (May 14, 2005?) > > > > *2026* > > 10th Anniversary of Vintage Computer Federation (June 17, 2015) > > 20th Anniversary of VCF East @ InfoAge (May 13, 2006) > > 25th Anniversary of VCF East (July 28-29, 2001) > > > > I need to track down which year we opened MARCH museum 2.0 and 3.0. > > > > Take care! > > > > Jeff Brace > > VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President > > VCF East Showrunner > > VCF/MARCH Fundraising Manager > > Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity > > https://vcfed.org/ [1] /> > Links: ------ [1] https://vcfed.org/

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Northern VA - Meetup
by Ryan Stapleton 02 May '25

02 May '25

Hello All, I hope you had a great time at System Source this past weekend (I know I did) and their swap meet. Pick up something neat? In the DMV area and want to show it off? I have an event for you. This Sunday May the 4th! Yes Star Wars day! From 1-6 PM @ the Chantilly Regional Library. 4000 Stringfellow Rd Chantilly, VA, 20151-2628 https://www.bluewizard.net/dmvvcm/vintagecomputermeetup/ Just as a reminder we are at the local library and we are unable to do buying or selling on property. Also means please eat before or post event as we are limited to light things. I hope to see ya there and chat with as many people as I can. Thank you -Ryan Stapleton

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May 17th Workshop / kennett classic surplus sale open online orders
by Bill Degnan 01 May '25

01 May '25

https://www.kennettclassic.com/surplus/ Lots of items remain. Priced cheap for pick-up only https://www.kennettclassic.com/workshop-scheduled-for-may-17th/ Kennett Classic Workshop May 17th If you buy an item from the surplus I can bring it to the KC workshop on the 17th. Also have a complete NeXT cube with display, mouse, keyboard. SCSI2SD card harddrive installed. Works $2700. Will consider shipping this. Contact me privately with questions. BIll Degnan kennettclassic.com 484 732 7041

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Anniversaries of MARCH/Vintage Computer Festival/Vintage Computer Federation
by Jeffrey Brace 30 Apr '25

30 Apr '25

*2025* 20th VCF East 20th VCF Midwest 20th VCF West (originally not called West) 20th Anniversary of MARCH museum opening (May 14, 2005?) *2026* 10th Anniversary of Vintage Computer Federation (June 17, 2015) 20th Anniversary of VCF East @ InfoAge (May 13, 2006) 25th Anniversary of VCF East (July 28-29, 2001) I need to track down which year we opened MARCH museum 2.0 and 3.0. Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF/MARCH Fundraising Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Past VCF Photo Galleries
by Christian Liendo 30 Apr '25

30 Apr '25

Thank you for putting all of them together, it's a good idea. It's funny that you mention this I was going though old USB drives and found images from MARCH's Spring 2009 party, back when there were Spring Parties. https://photos.app.goo.gl/kbpk55UVu17MMvHr9 On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 1:44 AM Alexander Pierson via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > I don't know about you, but I find myself looking at photos of past VCFs for a number of reasons, and not just photos I took, or from events I attended. It affords us an opportunity to see community members, speakers, exhibitors, etc. who might no longer be with us. I can think of a few names off the top of my head who have passed on, yet remain immortalized in event photo sets. We can see how things have changed within the hobby, but also machines that sometimes haven't come back on display in a long time. Personally, I like finding photos of myself for posterity (and maybe a little prosperity), or what my exhibit looked like. People work hard putting those exhibits together, and finding out that someone else cared enough to take a few photos of it can mean the world to the exhibitor. I think it's important that we keep record of vintage computer festivals just as much as we keep records of the computers we celebrate. Plus, many of these events have gotten so big that if you miss something, the only way to see everything is in retrospect through the lens of someone else. > > > > > The problem I've encountered is that finding these galleries has been difficult at times, especially the farther back you go. They're scattered across the web, and things like link rot, domains going away, image hosting shifting like sand -- these all contribute to the history getting harder to find. You've also got walled gardens to contend with, and not everyone having solid free image hosting options available to them. > > > > > So I made a directory of all the links I could find from every VCF I could find: > > > https://www.commodorez.com/vcfarcgal.html > > > > East, West, Midwest, Southwest, Southeast, Pacific Northwest, SoCal, UK, Europe, Italia, Zurich, Lite, and whatever else is out there that I'm forgetting, I want links to all of it. I've been asking folks I know, as well as pulling from links provided by the VCFed and VCFMW to get it all centralized and easier to traverse. Is this a perfect solution to the problem? Certainly not; it's far from archival. But hopefully it's a step in the right direction. While I'm not looking to host content for others, I am interested in making it easier to find this stuff in the future. > > > > Here's where you come in: Do you have a link to a public VCF photo gallery that's not on my list but should be? Maybe an article about the show? A video? Send that link my way! Though I do ask that you check first to see if it's already on there... > > > > Thanks! > > > -Alexander 'Z' Pierson

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Past VCF Photo Galleries
by Jeffrey Brace 30 Apr '25

30 Apr '25

Hello Alexander, Thanks for doing this! It just so happens that I was looking for pictures for something and found some from VCF East 3.0 (2006). It doesn't look like these are on any websites. I can't remember where I got them from. Maybe a CD of pictures or sent from Evan Koblentz many years ago. I've been thinking about the best solution as well for hosting pictures that I have taken or that others want to contribute. For now it is just a Google Drive or Google Photos. I need to get them more organized and in one place now that VCF has 100TB of space of Google storage to use. I wonder how much space all of these photos would take up. Jeff Brace On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 1:43 AM Alexander Pierson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Howdy, > > > > I don't know about you, but I find myself looking at photos of past VCFs > for a number of reasons, and not just photos I took, or from events I > attended. It affords us an opportunity to see community members, speakers, > exhibitors, etc. who might no longer be with us. I can think of a few > names off the top of my head who have passed on, yet remain immortalized in > event photo sets. We can see how things have changed within the hobby, but > also machines that sometimes haven't come back on display in a long time. > Personally, I like finding photos of myself for posterity (and maybe a > little prosperity), or what my exhibit looked like. People work hard > putting those exhibits together, and finding out that someone else cared > enough to take a few photos of it can mean the world to the exhibitor. I > think it's important that we keep record of vintage computer festivals just > as much as we keep records of the computers we celebrate. Plus, many of > these events have gotten so big that if you miss something, the only way to > see everything is in retrospect through the lens of someone else. > > > > > The problem I've encountered is that finding these galleries has been > difficult at times, especially the farther back you go. They're scattered > across the web, and things like link rot, domains going away, image hosting > shifting like sand -- these all contribute to the history getting harder to > find. You've also got walled gardens to contend with, and not everyone > having solid free image hosting options available to them. > > > > > So I made a directory of all the links I could find from every VCF I could > find: > > > https://www.commodorez.com/vcfarcgal.html > > > > East, West, Midwest, Southwest, Southeast, Pacific Northwest, SoCal, UK, > Europe, Italia, Zurich, Lite, and whatever else is out there that I'm > forgetting, I want links to all of it. I've been asking folks I know, as > well as pulling from links provided by the VCFed and VCFMW to get it all > centralized and easier to traverse. Is this a perfect solution to the > problem? Certainly not; it's far from archival. But hopefully it's a step > in the right direction. While I'm not looking to host content for others, I > am interested in making it easier to find this stuff in the future. > > > > Here's where you come in: Do you have a link to a public VCF photo > gallery that's not on my list but should be? Maybe an article about the > show? A video? Send that link my way! Though I do ask that you check > first to see if it's already on there... > > > > Thanks! > > > -Alexander 'Z' Pierson >

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Past VCF Photo Galleries
by Alexander Pierson 30 Apr '25

30 Apr '25

Howdy, I don't know about you, but I find myself looking at photos of past VCFs for a number of reasons, and not just photos I took, or from events I attended. It affords us an opportunity to see community members, speakers, exhibitors, etc. who might no longer be with us. I can think of a few names off the top of my head who have passed on, yet remain immortalized in event photo sets. We can see how things have changed within the hobby, but also machines that sometimes haven't come back on display in a long time. Personally, I like finding photos of myself for posterity (and maybe a little prosperity), or what my exhibit looked like. People work hard putting those exhibits together, and finding out that someone else cared enough to take a few photos of it can mean the world to the exhibitor. I think it's important that we keep record of vintage computer festivals just as much as we keep records of the computers we celebrate. Plus, many of these events have gotten so big that if you miss something, the only way to see everything is in retrospect through the lens of someone else. The problem I've encountered is that finding these galleries has been difficult at times, especially the farther back you go. They're scattered across the web, and things like link rot, domains going away, image hosting shifting like sand -- these all contribute to the history getting harder to find. You've also got walled gardens to contend with, and not everyone having solid free image hosting options available to them. So I made a directory of all the links I could find from every VCF I could find: https://www.commodorez.com/vcfarcgal.html East, West, Midwest, Southwest, Southeast, Pacific Northwest, SoCal, UK, Europe, Italia, Zurich, Lite, and whatever else is out there that I'm forgetting, I want links to all of it. I've been asking folks I know, as well as pulling from links provided by the VCFed and VCFMW to get it all centralized and easier to traverse. Is this a perfect solution to the problem? Certainly not; it's far from archival. But hopefully it's a step in the right direction. While I'm not looking to host content for others, I am interested in making it easier to find this stuff in the future. Here's where you come in: Do you have a link to a public VCF photo gallery that's not on my list but should be? Maybe an article about the show? A video? Send that link my way! Though I do ask that you check first to see if it's already on there... Thanks! -Alexander 'Z' Pierson

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VCF/MARCH Swap Meet June 7 @ InfoAge
by Jeffrey Brace 28 Apr '25

28 Apr '25

All the information is here: https://vcfed.org/vcf-swap-meet/ Any questions? Jeff Brace MARCH Fundraising Manager

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SOL1 with Koyo Monitor with Imgur Link
by Christian Liendo 25 Apr '25

25 Apr '25

So I realized I called the Koyo monitor a Toyota Monitor, which is incorrect I uploaded the images to imgur so you can see what is part of the package https://imgur.com/a/gKmE73Q

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System Source Swap Meet Weather Update
by Ryan Burke 24 Apr '25

24 Apr '25

Due to the high likelihood of rain on Saturday, April 26th, we have decided to postpone the swap meet until the next day, Sunday, April 27th. The museum will still be open for a regular workshop day on Saturday from 9:00 AM until 9:00 PM. The Sunday swap meet will have the same times as was planned for Saturday. On Sunday, setup for vendors will be at 7:00 AM, and general admission for the public will be 8:00 AM. Please email me here at rburke(a)syssrc.com with any questions.

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