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Byt-8
by Evan Koblentz 22 Dec '17

22 Dec '17

I know a few people on our list have Byte Shop Byt-8 computers. I happened to be emailing with store owner Paul Terrell recently. I asked him who did the system design, and thought some of you would be interested in his response: "My next door neighbor in San Jose was a design engineer for IBM at their Los Gatos Labs and he did the design work for the Byte 8 CPU card and front panel board with the led lights and switches and one uped the Altair front panel with some extra debug features. He transferred to their Tuscon office and I heard he had passed away." ________________________________ Evan Koblentz, director Vintage Computer Federation a 501(c)(3) educational non-profit evan(a)vcfed.org (646) 546-9999 www.vcfed.org facebook.com/vcfederation twitter.com/vcfederation instagram.com/vcfederation

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] D-I-Y slide rule display case
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 22 Dec '17

22 Dec '17

Jeffrey Jonas via vcf-midatlantic writes: >How to show off slide rules in style! > >http://www.stefanv.com/calculators/a-display-case-for-my-slide-rule-collect… FYI, those of you without wordworking tools or skills as described in Jeff's link, big chain hobby stores like Hobby Lobby do sell large shadow box frames should you wish to display your slide rules or any other 3D items in similar fashion.

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9000/300 available (fwd)
by Herb Johnson 22 Dec '17

22 Dec '17

J. Alexander Jacocks (Alex) did acquire those HP 9000's and brought a few to Festivus. I want to acknowledge and thank him for his efforts. I was one who acquired a 9000/300 and a hard/floppy drive. VCFed Museum got a set also, as did others. Not a big priority for me, but I used HP computing equipment in the era, I have a number of HP test equipment items, and so on. Alex particularly worked hard at my request, to try to generate a boot floppy during the event. I literally had to pry his fingers from his laptop, as he tried to get 21st century technology to generate 1980's 3.5" floppies. My "cave man" needs were simply to see the floppy drive acknowledged during boot-up. Since the event, I got the hard drive - old MFM 5.25 inch drive - to operate; the system comes up in BASIC. I have two 800K floppy drives working (a third has a broken head). I'm hampered in looking it over, by the lack of a proper monochrome monitor. It's a composite video, my guess 30Khz horizontal rate. I'd like to obtain a monitor, or futz with some other monitor. So I'd like to know the scan rate and other video-format data. Again, my thanks to Alex Jacocks. Herb Johnson Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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BlockChain Filing / Akin to Bitsavers
by Herb Johnson 22 Dec '17

22 Dec '17

Bill Inderrieden's post was subject'ed by "digest" - he answered a digest email, not an individual email. So I chose to reply with a proper subject-line. HIs post was: Thu Dec 21 13:51:11 EST 2017 To The Guys: Degan, Jonas, Johnson and Oprysko. And all others listening and interested. In a non related search of other stuff, I came across this, which I had not seen originally on the [PBS] News Hour. https://www.pbs.org/video/an-archive-preserving-the-fragile-history-of-the-… It shows what is being done out in CA, concerning constructing a complete digital library archive of the human knowledge, formidable task to be sure, and addresses (not yet completely solved) how to access the knowledge base in "50 let alone 500 years". The technology we all play in is so fragile! Both hardware and software!!! Runs 10min with a intro advert for a Broadway production of Shakespeare's Farinelli and the King, that you have to sit through. Bill Inderrieden --------------------------------- The interview was aired 01/02/17, an interview including Brewster Kahle of the Internet Archive, Jeffrey Brown reporter. The video of Kahle shows a stack of servers in some former San Fransisco church. It's worth viewing to see the facility. One row of four hard drives, says Kahle, represents "all the words in the Library of Congress". The Web is fragile, says the narrator Brown, because links break, documents are edited or removed, owners shut down their sites. Others interviewed say, computers & storage break and become obsolete. Mr Peabody is cited as the inventor of "the Wayback Machine" (look it up, millennials). "what the archive saves, is based on popularity" (narrator). (sigh) A million flies...."why aren't all the books digitized?" (Kahle). (sigh, because we are capitalists). And by the way: in looking up Kahle, I came across the Internet Archive Blog, and his remarks of Feb 2 2017 on "micropayments". https://blog.archive.org/2017/02/02/micropayments-to-archive-org-by-using-t… which 1) goes to recovering costs by a mechanism of micropayments from certain Internet Archive readers and 2) goes to a reference to my old mentor, and former New Jersey resident, Project Xanadu's Ted Nelson. He's widely credited for associating micropayments with hypertext (he coined the term). also 3) it mentioned bitcoin which is akin to blockchain, a technology in discussion. Please note: this is what curation looks like. Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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Could a Blockchain based file system be the answer!
by Herb Johnson 22 Dec '17

22 Dec '17

First, responding to comments to my comments. Clearly I know nothing about bitchain and torrent, so I won't comment further on those technologies. "Herb is curmudgeonly about this" - acknowledged, I did call myself "stone-age" for a reason. "hammer looking for a nail" seems to be an acknowledged call. My comment on the Internet Archive was misread a bit. It collects the first few "layers" of Web content - not all of a site's files are preserved. Hence "wide not deep". If that changes, bless 'em and our good fortune. On the issues - which to me are about content and acquisition. The discussion is about technical methods and their merits. That's fine. A claimed motivation is "lost archives", which is or was an issue. Many online archives become replicated now, some people like doing that, they often claim "duplication is preservation". Replication solves the problem. As on-line technology is getting cheaper and faster and bigger - I'm just not worried about the technical details or costs; for others that's their interests, and that's fine. My worries, and Dave McGuire and others echos these, are motivating *people* - to preserve content in the first place, to contribute to those who ARE preserving and who need support ($$$, show-of-interest, provide more content). I also worry about archiving institutions; they have merits and issues, that's another discussion. And I worry about "curation" - how to represent a thing, give it a context, a history. As Dave McGuire said, short-attention and narrow interests are problems. Blockchain doesn't help us with block-heads, or about simple ignorance of the past, or with efforts to acquire and digitize. Or, with preserving artifacts and not just content. (shrug) but those are other discussions. Herb -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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D-I-Y slide rule display case
by Jeffrey Jonas 22 Dec '17

22 Dec '17

How to show off slide rules in style! http://www.stefanv.com/calculators/a-display-case-for-my-slide-rule-collect…

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Re: Digest, Vol 26, Issue 19, BlockChain Filing / Akin to Bitsavers
by svcatitc＠aol.com 21 Dec '17

21 Dec '17

To The Guys: Degan, Jonas, Johnson and Oprysko. And all others listening and interested. In a non related search of other stuff, I came across this, which I had not seen originally on the News Hour. https://www.pbs.org/video/an-archive-preserving-the-fragile-history-of-the-… It shows what is being done out in CA, concerning constructing a complete digital library archive of the human knowledge, formidable task to be sure, and addresses (not yet completely solved) how to access the knowledge base in "50 let alone 500 years". The technology we all play in is so fragile! Both hardware and software!!! Runs 10min with a intro advert for a Broadway production of Shakespeare's Farinelli and the King that you have to sit through. Bill Inderrieden

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Could a Blockchain based file system be the answer!
by Herb Johnson 21 Dec '17

21 Dec '17

> Internet Archive and the like are great resources, > and I support their works, but they are still a "cathedral entity." If they > disappear, we lose a LOT! If for some unfortunate reason they collapse, > we're stuck with a lot of rebuilding of the archive as a community. > Volunteers keeping torrents would not only distribute many recoverable > duplicates of the overall content, but will also allow for a quick recovery > of the whole. I don't understand "torrents", and don't need to. They seem to amount to copying and Web distribution of archived content in an active real-time way. Seems to me, there's no shortage of people who are obsessed with copying vintage archives and making them available - their way. Whatever technology they choose to that end, is up to them. That said, others say "I won't bother to obtain this manual, someone else has preserved it". A problem of excess. And access to Web servers has never EVER been cheaper - skip some business lunches and pay for a year. (Funding was part of the original post.) Ask some users to donate some dollars - and we as users *should* make those contributions, to guard against the "fall of the Cathedral". Note: the Internet Archive "is a mile wide and an inch deep". It doesn't save enough, for the purposes of this discussion. Torrents, blockchain, distributed file systems - all "hammers" looking for a "nail", in my opinion as an engineer among other engineers. I'm scanning manuals and making them available, thank you, and I have my own tools. When my "cathedral" falls, the people who got my content, will resurrect it; and I may provide for other "cathedrals" too; and for what was in mine. Thanks for reminding me of this issue. Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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Strange 8" drive
by Herb Johnson 21 Dec '17

21 Dec '17

>>> Matt Patoray >>> I was looking at an issue of RCA "Broadcast News" from December 1975,... >>> picture of the main rack mount unit shows an 8" floppy drive,.... Page 52 of the PDF (50 of the magazine) shows a photo of a floppy drive with a simple lever for a drive-eject. Probably a hard-sectored drive, produced by one of any number of 8-inch drive manufacturers of the mid-1970's. I "cover" the oldest floppy drives and controllers on my Web site, because Dr Gary Kildall and Dr. John Torode produced a floppy controller running CP/M in early 1974. The natural question is, what other floppy controllers were around at that time? They were non-microprocessor based controllers, intended for minicomputers or the earliest microprocessors. http://www.retrotechnology.com/dri/first_floppy.html Sykes and ICOM and others produced drives and controllers in the era. A look through ComputerWorld or other computer-trade magazines of 1975 and earlier may find an identifying ad for the RCA-used floppy drive. Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT info

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Strange 8" drive
by Matt Patoray 20 Dec '17

20 Dec '17

I was looking at an issue of RCA "Broadcast News" from December 1975, in it they show the RCA Video IV CG system for broadcast television use. A picture of the main rack mount unit shows an 8" floppy drive, the likes of which I have never seen. I will try and attach a picture of the drive. Any help would be appreciated. [image: Inline image 1] -- Matt Patoray Owner, MSP Productions KD8AMG

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Could a Blockchain based file system be the answer!
by Joseph Oprysko 20 Dec '17

20 Dec '17

In regards to the old media that needs to be digitized and stored for posterity, if there was a blockchain based file system, in conjunction with a crypto-currency token, I’m thinking that something like that could create a permanent and immutable storage-space, where all software is archived, and available for all time (or as long as computers are still a thing). If anyone has ideas or experience in working with blockchain code and building upon it, I believe that something like this could ensure that software doesn’t “disappear” again. Because even if someone had a server with copies of all of the old software, it still ends up as a single point of failure, if that machine gets wiped/hacked/etc. But having that same data-store on a distributed blockchain based file system, there no longer is that single point of failure. Even more robust than storing it on Google’s or Amazon’s storage. Yes, I know there are literally thousands of various crypto currencies out there, and if not marketed right, it could potentially fall by the wayside. The way I see this working on the file system level is that people will allocate a portion of their hard drive storage to the project. The people who allocated storage would be compensated over time with the crypto currency of the project. It would be an encrypted and possibly sandboxed storage subsystem, to prevent malicious software from affecting their machines. There may also be compensation when that data is accessed, regardless of if it’s a read or write. There would be multiple, identical copies of the various data spread across all of the machines in the network. That way if a machine is down, there are other sources for the file. This is really a rough idea at this point and likely needs significant “polishing” before the project is even to the starting gate. If there’s interest in pursuing a project like this, email me off list, and we’ll coordinate and communicate on either a different email list or some other platform. Thanks, Joe O. -- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?

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Re:Digest, Vol 26, Issue 15 Message 2 "Adjunct to Bitsavers"
by svcatitc＠aol.com 20 Dec '17

20 Dec '17

This cannot be stressed enough to make today's data available, (AND READABLE) for the coming generations. This is continuing NEW news! PBS once had a (Frontline I think) piece on "Our Fading Past" in which the cameo presentation was on NOAA's 7 track tape data debacle. Nobody makes 7 track drives anymore and NOAA has had to resort to dredging (like we do) junkers from the boneyards, restoring them and getting them to read the old stored data. NOAA engineers devised a program to rewind the tape and reread the data if it found dropouts (of which there were many). The presentation showed rows of drives backing up and moving forward in the attempt at rescuing the "fading past". The back and forth movement of the drives trying to reread data was nicknamed "Maytagging" by NOAA engineers. THANK YOU Mr Jonas for reminding us of the importance. Bill Inderrieden Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 22:11:28 -0500 From: Jeffrey Jonas <jeffrey.scott.jonas(a)gmail.com> To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] adjunct to bitsavers and Library of Congress? Message-ID: <CAOCNM4TAcwrYWO+ADceF6wt6w7yuFuOUZGT_QxNz9146ctOpzQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" old news to us but good to see it in the spotlight: https://boingboing.net/2017/12/15/back-up-back-up-back-up.html A deep dive into the race to preserve our digital heritage [copying up data from old media, using virtual machines to emulate the required legacy operating system, applications and such to access the data formats]

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Apple IIGS for sale
by Joseph Oprysko 19 Dec '17

19 Dec '17

I am posting this for another person, it is not my machine, but I did check it out. Comes with: Apple IIGS ROM 1 Rev. with 1.25 MB RAM 4MB Memory Expansion card w/1mb SIMM Apple IIGS Memory Expansion Cards Apple Image Writer 2 Apple 3.5" Drive Apple Color RGB Monitor Apple Keyboard 658-4081 AppleDesign Keyboard M2980 All Manuals and Papers All cables & cords Includes boot disks and other software Extra sealed ribbons and pin-fed paper for printer If you’re interested, please email George at gemwmp(a)msn.com I believe he is asking $250 for the complete system, but I’m sure it would be negotiable. Joe O. -- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?

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“Dial-Up” Lynx?
by Joseph Oprysko 19 Dec '17

19 Dec '17

I’m looking to setup a machine to use in conjunction with the WiFi232 modem, what I would like to be able to do is to dial/telnet into a local machine that will allow me to use a text web browser so I can browse websites from my vintage machines. I guess the other thing the machine I would dial into would need to do is to be able to cache on that machine then allow me to use xmodem/ymodem so I can download binary files. Anyone know what I would be able to use to do that? I know I could setup the telnetd on a Linux Box, but I don’t know how to transfer from a Linux box with modem protocols. Thanks, Joe O. (Never had to use my initials previously) -- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?

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Qualstar 3412S on Ebay
by Mike Loewen 19 Dec '17

19 Dec '17

There's a Qualstar 3412S 9-track tape drive on Ebay, in Rochester: 13243878889 The nice thing about this model is that it handles: 800bpi NRZI R/O 1600bpi PE 3200bpi DPE 6250bpi GCR However, 800bpi NRI is read-only. The seller indicates that the unit is untested, but maybe someone could convince them to at least power it on to see if it passes the self-test. Assuming it works, this would be a good unit for someone looking for a versatile 9-track drive. Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

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1 Adam 12, meet the man at IBM
by Jeffrey Jonas 19 Dec '17

19 Dec '17

Who is this mysterious "Adam" who helps in the warehouse? An item needs to be located. Please respond directly to me.

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Jason Scott talks about the recent Commodore discoveries
by Mark Whittington 18 Dec '17

18 Dec '17

For those that don't know, Jason Scott has recently started a Patreon funded weekly podcast project. I recommend checking it out and sponsoring it if you find it interesting and have the means. https://www.patreon.com/textfiles The Dec. 8 podcast talks about the recent discovery of the collection of Commodore stuff in PA. I've linked to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLKd3B7TJE8

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FS: Early Processor Tech S-100 Extender
by systems_glitch 18 Dec '17

18 Dec '17

link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/272987996882 This one looks to be quite early, it carries a 1975 copyright and uses the older military style S-100 socket. The socket is VERY tight, like new Sullins connectors. If you have loose connectors in your motherboard, you'll likely have to remove the extender and separate the board and extender outside of the card cage. There's a small chip in the S-100 socket, as shown in the pictures. I've used this extender in my IMSAI and tested it at full speed with a RAM board, on a terminated backplane. Thanks, Jonathan

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FS: Newtech Computer Systems Model 6 rev B Music Board for S-100
by systems_glitch 18 Dec '17

18 Dec '17

link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/272987932493 Just finished checking it out by the manual, works fine! This little board is a 6-bit DAC, amplifier, and speaker on a little S-100 board, and allows your S-100 machine to make sounds. It's apparently pretty good for a 6-bit DAC, there are videos on YouTube of other hobbyists playing samples taken from various audio sources using the Model 6 -- at least, I was surprised that it sounded as good as it did. Set up for the default port of 0x24 and using the internal speaker. Don't really know what they're worth, so feel free to submit an offer! Thanks, Jonathan

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Festivus Pics
by Christian Liendo 18 Dec '17

18 Dec '17

Anyone have Festivus pics? I was not able to attend

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paging Joe Herdler
by Dave McGuire 17 Dec '17

17 Dec '17

Hey Joe, did you see my private email from several days ago? Everyone else...sorry for the noise. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Museum report
by Evan Koblentz 17 Dec '17

17 Dec '17

Today was the last day of the Infoage holiday train show. Busy! Several families came through our museum all day long. We also have a group of about 20 college kids who are volunteering with the Sandy relief organization. Various member visitors today -- Corey/Jeremy, Tony, and Don all stopped by. ________________________________ Evan Koblentz, director Vintage Computer Federation a 501(c)(3) educational non-profit evan(a)vcfed.org (646) 546-9999 www.vcfed.org facebook.com/vcfederation twitter.com/vcfederation instagram.com/vcfederation

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FS: MITS 1K Static RAM Board, Fully Populated, Repaired/Tested/Working
by systems_glitch 17 Dec '17

17 Dec '17

link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/272986862278 Picked this one up in a larger lot of S-100 boards. The address jumper area was a mess, the soldered wire links were removed and replaced with machine pin socket pins. It's currently addressed to start at 0x0000. This one has a pretty low serial number, from what I've seen the earliest boards had no serial number at all, but this one is the lowest out of the handful of 1K boards I've personally seen, which were all in the 400-500 range. I have it listed starting at $1 as I have no idea what it's worth. If someone desperately needs this particular board (i.e. based on the serial number) for their system, send me an offer off-list and I can end the auction for you. Thanks, Jonathan

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adjunct to bitsavers and Library of Congress?
by Jeffrey Jonas 15 Dec '17

15 Dec '17

old news to us but good to see it in the spotlight: https://boingboing.net/2017/12/15/back-up-back-up-back-up.html A deep dive into the race to preserve our digital heritage [copying up data from old media, using virtual machines to emulate the required legacy operating system, applications and such to access the data formats]

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Lisa 2 for sale
by Adam Michlin 15 Dec '17

15 Dec '17

Hi Everyone, I had previously been asked by my friend to try to sell his Lisa 2 at $2,500 and have convinced him that $2,000 is a more reasonable price. Pictures: http://ceos.io/lisa/ In working condition and not recapped as far as we can tell. If interested, contact me privately and we'll go from there. I can likely to meet for pick up at the VCF museum (maybe even at the upcoming workshop!) or generally in the northern NJ area. Best wishes, -Adam

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Anyone awake?
by Evan Koblentz 14 Dec '17

14 Dec '17

I have an idea that I want to bounce off someone. Who can take a phone call now? It's 12:20am. ________________________________ Evan Koblentz, director Vintage Computer Federation a 501(c)(3) educational non-profit evan(a)vcfed.org (646) 546-9999 www.vcfed.org facebook.com/vcfederation twitter.com/vcfederation instagram.com/vcfederation

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OT: Surplus LTO Library?
by Ethan 13 Dec '17

13 Dec '17

Anyone know of a Dell ML6000 style tape library for sale via surplus channels? HP and IBM and ADIC sell the same unit ,all made by some German company. They have a head unit with a LCD on the front and you can keep stacking expansion modules below them to expand them. Looking for a LTO5 one for home to backup NAS server. eBay has a bunch but at high prices, especially when 8TB disks are $150 now. Any pointers appreciated!

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Festivus is officially over!
by Jeffrey Brace 13 Dec '17

13 Dec '17

Finally cleaned up the place, put everything back, drove home, unpacked and now relaxing. Festivus is a labor of love for me and I love seeing everyone together enjoying themselves. It is the one event where we are just there to socialize, have fun and geek out! Favorite quote from Festivus (Evan talking a selfie with two other guys, a third tries to get in the picture) "Go away. Your not bald enough." Thanks to Herb, Bernie S and Jeff Jonas to help clean up. Thanks to Evan, Ian and Connor for staying late to help finish up. I hope that everyone had a fun time and look forward to the next event which is the January 13/14 workshop. Until the next time, enjoy the holidays! :-D -- Jeff Brace

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Brick Vocational School Tour Today 2017-12-13
by Jeffrey Brace 13 Dec '17

13 Dec '17

I took the day off work today (at my expense, If I don't work, I don't get paid) to give a tour to Ocean County Vocational school (Brick Township, NJ), which is a vocational high school. Two groups of about 25 students. They seemed to like it, but as always there is never enough time to explain everything or demo very much. They looked at two or three other museums, but asked for ours in particular. It's always nice to educate younger people about the history of computers.

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I visited MOS Technology building today...
by Douglas Crawford 12 Dec '17

12 Dec '17

See the thread. Open issue: A ton of mag tapes are in the basement. Could possibly have C= stuff on them. Any one interested in that? I'll have pictures tomorrow of the site. http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?60872-Gmt-plant-final-cleanout-co… DC

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Please read: Personal note about Festivus + 2018
by Evan Koblentz 12 Dec '17

12 Dec '17

I'm sad Festivus is over. It is my favorite event of the year. Random highlights: - Eight of us arrived Friday night to beat the snow and celebrate Festivus Eve! That was a fun change from past Festivii. - Everyone got their slide rules. Mouse and others watched Youtube videos to learn how to use these. - Alex J. brought HP-9000s and donated a working one to VCFed. He also purchased and will soon give us the correct color monitor for our IBM PS/2 486 (Win 3.1 demo machine). - Jon C. brought ADM terminals and floppy disks (which everyone loved; bought a box for myself). He also brought a very clean and fully working Kaypro II. Nobody wanted it, their loss, VCFed's gain! We made a trade -- the Kaypro for an Intel board. This particular Kaypro is in much better shape than any of our other Kaypro units. - I gave the old MARCH banner to Jeff S. who designed the logo waaaaaaaay back in 2004. - "New Lou": it's always great to meet new members! - There were several surprise visitors: Connor; Tony's friend Ken (who's done a lot of manual labor for us in the past two years); Mouse's colleague (whose name I forget); and Jon G.'s friend Davi. I may have forgotten another person or two. - Festivus Claus is real! He gave Tony the long RCA cable that we needed to connect the Lego desk to the big monitor above our workbench. Tony played the part of a reindeer and delivered it to us. - A non-member brought us a very nice homebrewed version of a Netronics Elf II. I included Herb and Bernie when the benefactor arrived because they both know a lot about 1802. - The final highlight, as posted in earlier emails tonight, was Jeff's idea to donate extra items to a local community food bank. It's one thing to be good citizens in the vintage computing community and the InfoAge community, quite another to be good citizens to the real world! I'd like for us to do more things along these lines. Suggestions welcome. Regarding 2018, I talked on Saturday night about some of the Federation-wise ideas/plans for next year and also sent a long email to this list on Nov. 29. Thank you to everyone who donated so far! Some of the near-term plans include museum updates (displays, technology, maybe lighting); VCF PNW (Feb. 10-11, Seattle!); inventory software shopping; and more restorations. ** Please keep the 2018 donations flowing!! ** There are about 180 people on this list. If everyone gave just $5, that would pay for some museum improvements such as another display case that Corey and I are considering to show things like our blue box, 6501 kit, and so on. If everyone reached deep and gave $50, that would be more than our entire VCFed fiscal year budget from 2016! The link to make a donation is http://vcfed.org/wp/contribute/. As for 2017, "That's all, folks!" -Evan PS. I told a little white lie: that may * not * be all for 2017! There's a cool artifact donation being delivered soon. :) I will announce it when it's actually in our hands. Nebulous hint telling you virtually nothing: this artifact has a special connection to Silicon Valley.

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Leftover Festivus food donated
by Jeffrey Brace 11 Dec '17

11 Dec '17

There were lots of leftover frozen burger patties, hamburger buns and hot dog rolls. I was able to donate them all to the local food bank down the road from me called Fulfill (formerly Monmouth/Ocean Food Bank). I also donated a bunch of keurig coffee pods. I was glad that this will go to someone who needs it and won't go to waste.

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Small Intro and a Thank You to everyone
by Lou 11 Dec '17

11 Dec '17

Hello! My name is Lou Kohn but I also go by Faust in the community (IRC mainly). I am 27 years young with a jump to 28 next weekend and I live in the farmlands and suburbs of Gloucester County New Jersey. As for my interest in vintage computing it comes from many different places, from my fascination in technology at an early age to experiencing my first time using a system which was a 486sx on win3.11 (I know not really old) and exploring different systems, the history and what ultimately became of them in relation and development to modern technology today. I love exploring more obscure systems and different operating systems with my current interest towards different flavors of Unix, but also I have great appreciation and interest in the "Big Iron" systems which I still want to learn more from. In fact when it comes to learning I still have a lot ahead of myself but I am always eager to pick up anything I can to better understand it. In fact this year I am going to be doing a lot of this when it comes to doing hardware and I hope to grasp hardware repair better because a big part of the hobby is repairing and restoring. I hope that I can find a place here among others who share the same interest and maybe even become a regular in due time! Also I have to give you all a big thank you Saturday night when attending the festivus event! Not only was it my first but being the socially awkward person that I am (with an even more socially awkward fiancee that was with me during the event) everyone was so nice and awesome, we really felt welcome to be there and just have fun among everyone. A special thanks to Evan for the tour around the building, Ian for using his CRT repair kung-fu in figuring out what was up with my terminal and Herb for giving me a scsi drive for a mac that did not have one. I can go on with the thanks but to make it clear its wonderful to be among a group like this and I cannot wait for the next event. Hope everyone else enjoyed the weekend and got home safe!

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Re: More Thank You's to the Festivus Cleanup Crew!
by SVCatITC＠aol.com 11 Dec '17

11 Dec '17

On 12/10/2017 8:48 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Finally cleaned up the place, put everything back, drove home, unpacked and > now relaxing. > > Thanks to Herb, Bernie S and Jeff Jonas to help clean up. > > Thanks to Evan, Ian and Connor for staying late to help finish up. Thanks guys again for the "mop up". Sorry I was not there to help out. Everything was a delicious "Festivus Miracle!" Bill Inderrieden

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Festivus is officially over!
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 11 Dec '17

11 Dec '17

Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic writes: > >> Favorite quote from Festivus (Evan talking a selfie with two other >guys, a > third tries to get in the picture) "Go away. Your not bald >enough." > >I'm not even sure I was bald enough! I know I'm not! :P

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Festivus Festivities, Thank You!
by Jeffrey Brace 10 Dec '17

10 Dec '17

And thanks to Ian for all the work involved with testing, transporting and setting up all the vintage video games. Everyone really enjoyed and appreciated it! On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Bill Inderrieden via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: SVCatITC(a)aol.com > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:44:01 -0500 > Subject: Re: Festivus Festivities, Thank You! > First and foremost: THANK YOU Jeff Brace, and Evan for all you did in > setting up > this year's festivities. > > Thank You's also go out to: > > Bill Dromgoole: for our reminiscing down memory lane on high class > construction of "old iron". > > Bill Degnan: for the invite to your place when around Avondale, PA. > > Herb Johnson: for the wise and expert knowledge imparted to the group > concerning > analog computation and simulation, and other > subjects throughout the year. > Look for follow up from me sometime this week. > > Jeff Jonas: for the assist in the accent lighting materials for the > EAI TR 20. Stay safe. > > Tony Bogan: for the spirited discussion at breakfast on Sunday. Will > miss you at Festival East. > > Alex Jacocks: Ditto, and look for more industrial museum info offline. > See you at the Jan. workshop. > > Mouse: Loved the tats. Cool! > > Dean & Drew: Wished we could have talked more. Thanks anyway! Drew I > need to show you > pix of the steam plant there at IA close to 9032. > > Bill Dudley: Look forward to maybe seeing your collection, since you > are close in Jackson. > > > And to all that I missed, I enjoyed our discussions. Sorry for not > identifying you. > The brain here is getting feeble. Forgive me. > > As more updates come in on the EAI TR 20 project, they will be forwarded > here. > > > Hope to see most of you at the Jan. workshop. > > Bill Inderrieden > > > >

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HP 87XM
by Mike Loewen 10 Dec '17

10 Dec '17

This is something else that followed me home from VCF Midwest, an 1983 vintage HP 87XM microcomputer. http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/HP/HP87XM/ It worked, but was fairly dirty and I had to remove all of the key caps to clean them. The machine has the typical yellowing of this class of machine, but not as bad as my 85A. BASIC, Printer and Mass Storage ROMs are built-in, and it also came with a ROM Drawer with Plotter and I/O ROMs installed. I'd like to locate some extra Memory Modules for it, as well as the Service ROMs (which are probably unobtainium). An 82901M dual-floppy drive would be nice, too. An 82900A CP/M cartridge would be even nicer. :-) Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

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Re: Festivus Festivities, Thank You!
by SVCatITC＠aol.com 10 Dec '17

10 Dec '17

First and foremost: THANK YOU Jeff Brace, and Evan for all you did in setting up this year's festivities. Thank You's also go out to: Bill Dromgoole: for our reminiscing down memory lane on high class construction of "old iron". Bill Degnan: for the invite to your place when around Avondale, PA. Herb Johnson: for the wise and expert knowledge imparted to the group concerning analog computation and simulation, and other subjects throughout the year. Look for follow up from me sometime this week. Jeff Jonas: for the assist in the accent lighting materials for the EAI TR 20. Stay safe. Tony Bogan: for the spirited discussion at breakfast on Sunday. Will miss you at Festival East. Alex Jacocks: Ditto, and look for more industrial museum info offline. See you at the Jan. workshop. Mouse: Loved the tats. Cool! Dean & Drew: Wished we could have talked more. Thanks anyway! Drew I need to show you pix of the steam plant there at IA close to 9032. Bill Dudley: Look forward to maybe seeing your collection, since you are close in Jackson. And to all that I missed, I enjoyed our discussions. Sorry for not identifying you. The brain here is getting feeble. Forgive me. As more updates come in on the EAI TR 20 project, they will be forwarded here. Hope to see most of you at the Jan. workshop. Bill Inderrieden

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Sunday breakfast
by Evan Koblentz 09 Dec '17

09 Dec '17

We'll be at the Princess Maria Diner (2044 Rt. 35, Wall NJ) at 9am tomorrow for breakfast. Back at the museum around 10:30ish.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] SNOW! and Festivus
by Evan Koblentz 09 Dec '17

09 Dec '17

About half the people are here so far. Tons of food/drink, BBQ is on, more is on the way. Join us! But please drive safe. Stay over if you like, we have lots of extra bedding. On Dec 9, 2017 12:17 AM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan(a)vcfed.org> wrote: Festivus eve is concluded. Hoping you all can stay safe and still manage to get here this weekend. The original plan was to open tomorrow at noon. Scratch that! Show up in the morning if you want. Some of us will be here. If the gate is still locked when you arrive, then call me: 646-546-9999 <(646)%20546-9999>. On Dec 8, 2017 10:14 PM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan(a)vcfed.org> wrote: > Eight people are here, anyone else arriving tonight? > > On Dec 8, 2017 9:12 PM, "David Riley" <fraveydank(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Me too, I just finished cooking it! :-) >> >> >> - Dave >> >> >> On Dec 8, 2017, at 20:05, Evan Koblentz <evan(a)vcfed.org> wrote: >> >> Hope you can make it ... you have the pasta :) >> >> On Dec 8, 2017 7:52 PM, "David Riley" <fraveydank(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Speaking of snow, my in-laws are making rumblings about possibly not >>> coming to watch the kids while I'm away, in which case I won't be able to >>> make it because it's my wife's busy season. They haven't decided anything >>> yet and probably won't until the morning, but I figure advance warning >>> would probably be a good idea. I hope to see you all tomorrow! >>> >>> >>> - Dave >>> >>> >>> > On Dec 8, 2017, at 19:09, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < >>> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > Six people are here already! All are welcome for celebrating Festivus >>> Eve. >>> > >>> > On Dec 8, 2017 1:29 PM, "Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic" < >>> > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Awesome! It's great how she can support us! >>> >> >>> >> Here's the latest on the snow prediction: >>> >> http://www.nj.com/weather/index.ssf/2017/12/6_inches_of_ >>> >> snow_could_fall_in_nj_saturday.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < >>> >> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Good news. Joy (person in charge of the sleeping area) brought over a >>> >> large >>> >>> amount of extra sheets, towels, pillows, sleeping bags, etc. for >>> whomever >>> >>> needs it this weekend. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 8, 2017 12:29 PM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan(a)vcfed.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Update .... I'll be available to let people into the party/sleeping >>> >> area >>> >>>> as of 4:00 this afternoon. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 8, 2017 10:19 AM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan(a)vcfed.org> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Hey everyone. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I urge you all to take Jeff's advice: allow extra time for your >>> trip, >>> >> or >>> >>>>> come up this evening if you can. The latest forecast says 4-5 >>> inches >>> >> in >>> >>> * >>> >>>>> other * parts of NJ but only 2-3 inches at the museum. Safety is >>> >> always >>> >>>>> priority #1. But if you can still get here then I'd assert snow >>> only >>> >>> adds >>> >>>>> to the Festivus tradition! :) Also there is plenty of space for >>> more >>> >>> people >>> >>>>> to stay Saturday night if you want to wait until roads are clearer >>> >>> Sunday >>> >>>>> before leaving. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Be safe and I can't wait to see you all! >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 8, 2017 9:37 AM, "Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic" >>> < >>> >>>>> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic writes: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> So the current forecast for our area has predicted 3 inches of >>> snow >>> >> in >>> >>>>>>> InfoAge's area. It will be starting around 10am and accumulate >>> over >>> >> a >>> >>>>>>> few hours. This could change to more or less. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> The party is still going forward as planned. Everyone is >>> encouraged >>> >> to >>> >>>>>>> use their best judgment as to their safety in driving to >>> Festivus. >>> >> If >>> >>>>>>> you do drive, then take it slow. Leaving early is greatly >>> encouraged >>> >>> as >>> >>>>>>> well. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Evan will be staying there Friday night for anyone wanting to >>> come >>> >>>>>>> earlier and stay Friday night is welcome. Please send me a >>> private >>> >>> reply >>> >>>>>>> to let me know that you will be arriving earlier. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> If you decide not to come, then let me know that as well. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> http://www.nj.com/weather/index.ssf/2017/12/revised_forecas >>> >>>>>> t_calls_for_3_to_4_inches_of_snow_i.html#incart_2box_nj-home >>> >>>>>> page-featured >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Also keep in mind that we will still be there Sunday until >>> around 5 >>> >> or >>> >>>>>>> 6pm. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> This weekend? I'd penned in next weekend. Oops. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>

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slide rule manuals & instructions
by Jeffrey Jonas 09 Dec '17

09 Dec '17

The boxed sets usually include instructions. I scanned some: http://ferretronix.com/march/previews/sliderules/

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9000/300 available (fwd)
by Mike Loewen 09 Dec '17

09 Dec '17

This was forwarded from a Vintage HP list. If anyone wants a mid-'80s HP/UX system, please contact the original poster (adam.raub(a)simco.com) The systems appears to be in Allentown, PA. Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:43:12 -0800 Reply-To: VintHPcom(a)groups.io To: VintHPcom(a)groups.io Subject: [VintHPcom] 9000/300 available I received his email today. If anyone is interested please contact Adam directly. David Collins _____________________________ Hello, We currently have a HP 9000/300 series computer that we are going to scrap. Would you be interested or know someone who may want it? We have a monitor, a few keyboards, cables & a few boxes of disks for it along with extra hard drives. Adam Raub Technician Simco Electronics Allentown, PA 18103 ( x-apple-data-detectors://1/0 ) Phone: (610)798-0100 Ext. 4248 adam.raub(a)simco.com ( tel:(610)798-0100;4248 )

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Real snow now...
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 09 Dec '17

09 Dec '17

Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic writes: >Starting to stick... drive careful! Evan, did you pickup Philly Pretzels this year? The snow will mean that I'm not going to fire up my grill for making ribs, so if you didn't order/bring Philly Pretzels, I might get some when I come over.

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Real snow now...
by Evan Koblentz 09 Dec '17

09 Dec '17

Starting to stick... drive careful! On Dec 9, 2017 9:14 AM, "Dean Notarnicola" <dnotarnicola(a)gmail.com> wrote: On our way On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 9:02 AM Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > Woke up to flurries. > > On Dec 8, 2017 8:45 PM, "Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic" < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > On my way tonite! Ahead of the snow! - H > > -- > Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA > http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net >

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"Go fuck yourselves" :)
by Evan Koblentz 09 Dec '17

09 Dec '17

You can't not take this as a joke! I hope everyone remembers the Festivus tradition we started last year: the official VCF holiday greeting is to shake someone's hand, look them in the eye, and say, "Go fuck yourself" with a smile. So, in the spirit of Festivus, I hope everyone go fucks themselves this year. I look forward to everyone getting here today, shaking my hand, and telling me to go fuck myself, too! It would mean so much to me. Happy Festivus and safe travels (sincerely). Go fuck yourselves, Evan On Dec 9, 2017 12:17 AM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan(a)vcfed.org> wrote: Festivus eve is concluded. Hoping you all can stay safe and still manage to get here this weekend. The original plan was to open tomorrow at noon. Scratch that! Show up in the morning if you want. Some of us will be here. If the gate is still locked when you arrive, then call me: 646-546-9999 <(646)%20546-9999>. On Dec 8, 2017 10:14 PM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan(a)vcfed.org> wrote: > Eight people are here, anyone else arriving tonight? > > On Dec 8, 2017 9:12 PM, "David Riley" <fraveydank(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Me too, I just finished cooking it! :-) >> >> >> - Dave >> >> >> On Dec 8, 2017, at 20:05, Evan Koblentz <evan(a)vcfed.org> wrote: >> >> Hope you can make it ... you have the pasta :) >> >> On Dec 8, 2017 7:52 PM, "David Riley" <fraveydank(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Speaking of snow, my in-laws are making rumblings about possibly not >>> coming to watch the kids while I'm away, in which case I won't be able to >>> make it because it's my wife's busy season. They haven't decided anything >>> yet and probably won't until the morning, but I figure advance warning >>> would probably be a good idea. I hope to see you all tomorrow! >>> >>> >>> - Dave >>> >>> >>> > On Dec 8, 2017, at 19:09, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < >>> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > Six people are here already! All are welcome for celebrating Festivus >>> Eve. >>> > >>> > On Dec 8, 2017 1:29 PM, "Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic" < >>> > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Awesome! It's great how she can support us! >>> >> >>> >> Here's the latest on the snow prediction: >>> >> http://www.nj.com/weather/index.ssf/2017/12/6_inches_of_ >>> >> snow_could_fall_in_nj_saturday.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < >>> >> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Good news. Joy (person in charge of the sleeping area) brought over a >>> >> large >>> >>> amount of extra sheets, towels, pillows, sleeping bags, etc. for >>> whomever >>> >>> needs it this weekend. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 8, 2017 12:29 PM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan(a)vcfed.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Update .... I'll be available to let people into the party/sleeping >>> >> area >>> >>>> as of 4:00 this afternoon. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 8, 2017 10:19 AM, "Evan Koblentz" <evan(a)vcfed.org> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Hey everyone. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I urge you all to take Jeff's advice: allow extra time for your >>> trip, >>> >> or >>> >>>>> come up this evening if you can. The latest forecast says 4-5 >>> inches >>> >> in >>> >>> * >>> >>>>> other * parts of NJ but only 2-3 inches at the museum. Safety is >>> >> always >>> >>>>> priority #1. But if you can still get here then I'd assert snow >>> only >>> >>> adds >>> >>>>> to the Festivus tradition! :) Also there is plenty of space for >>> more >>> >>> people >>> >>>>> to stay Saturday night if you want to wait until roads are clearer >>> >>> Sunday >>> >>>>> before leaving. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Be safe and I can't wait to see you all! >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 8, 2017 9:37 AM, "Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic" >>> < >>> >>>>> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic writes: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> So the current forecast for our area has predicted 3 inches of >>> snow >>> >> in >>> >>>>>>> InfoAge's area. It will be starting around 10am and accumulate >>> over >>> >> a >>> >>>>>>> few hours. This could change to more or less. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> The party is still going forward as planned. Everyone is >>> encouraged >>> >> to >>> >>>>>>> use their best judgment as to their safety in driving to >>> Festivus. >>> >> If >>> >>>>>>> you do drive, then take it slow. Leaving early is greatly >>> encouraged >>> >>> as >>> >>>>>>> well. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Evan will be staying there Friday night for anyone wanting to >>> come >>> >>>>>>> earlier and stay Friday night is welcome. Please send me a >>> private >>> >>> reply >>> >>>>>>> to let me know that you will be arriving earlier. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> If you decide not to come, then let me know that as well. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> http://www.nj.com/weather/index.ssf/2017/12/revised_forecas >>> >>>>>> t_calls_for_3_to_4_inches_of_snow_i.html#incart_2box_nj-home >>> >>>>>> page-featured >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Also keep in mind that we will still be there Sunday until >>> around 5 >>> >> or >>> >>>>>>> 6pm. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> This weekend? I'd penned in next weekend. Oops. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>

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Breakfast at Princess Diner - 10:00
by J. Alexander Jacocks 09 Dec '17

09 Dec '17

2044 State Route 35 Wall Township, NJ 07719 - Alex

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Weather: FLURRIES
by Evan Koblentz 09 Dec '17

09 Dec '17

Woke up to flurries. On Dec 8, 2017 8:45 PM, "Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic" < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: On my way tonite! Ahead of the snow! - H -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] SNOW! and Festivus
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic writes: >So the current forecast for our area has predicted 3 inches of snow in >InfoAge's area. It will be starting around 10am and accumulate over a >few hours. This could change to more or less. > >The party is still going forward as planned. Everyone is encouraged to >use their best judgment as to their safety in driving to Festivus. If >you do drive, then take it slow. Leaving early is greatly encouraged as >well. > >Evan will be staying there Friday night for anyone wanting to come >earlier and stay Friday night is welcome. Please send me a private reply >to let me know that you will be arriving earlier. > >If you decide not to come, then let me know that as well. > >http://www.nj.com/weather/index.ssf/2017/12/revised_forecast_calls_for_3_to… > >Also keep in mind that we will still be there Sunday until around 5 or >6pm. This weekend? I'd penned in next weekend. Oops.

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Twas the night before Festivus
by Jeffrey Brace 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

To help youze guys prepare for Festivus here is a primer on the tradition of Festivus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX55AzGku5Y Ian will be bringing the aluminum pole so anyone that wants to take a picture in front of it is welcome. Promptly at 6pm on Saturday we will be doing The Airing of Grievances. It starts out by someone saying "I've got a lot of problems with you people.". Since there is so many of us, we all need to pick one person to air our grievance and then let the next person go. I will start everyone out so that you can see how it goes. Feats of strength will start right after The Airing of Grievances. Tables are setup and food bought. Drive safely and see youze guys tomorrow.

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SNOW! and Festivus
by Herb Johnson 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

On my way tonite! Ahead of the snow! - H -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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