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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] DOS Floppy Disks
by tom.hornberger＠verizon.net 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

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Testing new address
by Tony Bogan 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

Seeing if this works any better than the yahoo address. Tony Sent from my iPhone

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MINI WORKSHOP - Pottstown PA - Saturday November 14th
by tom.hornberger＠verizon.net 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] our new museum -- micro exhibit -- pick 28!
by Evan Koblentz 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

Aaarrrgghhh -- Chris' message arrived here as an .eml attachment. WTF is causing that and how do we fix it!!?? Anyway, Chris said this: --------------------- Whats missing: Atari 400/800.. Why? I can argue that this computer is the one that pushed home users from game machines to computers. Atari designed these machines for non-hobbyist home users by putting in cartridge ports and having composite output. They sold these through SEARS. I think these are engineering marvels for the time and are very under appreciated. I know that the PET/Apple II came out earlier, but they were not targeted to home users. Yes some people purchased them for the home. They were not designed that way. The Apple II was a $1200 just for the machine and over $2000 complete. I would argue that is not targeting the Home Computer Market. The Ti99/4 came out before the Atari but at $1,150 it was not targeted at the home market.. The TI99/4a in 1981 was at $525. VIC-20 First million sold, ushered in a lot of adoption Next Workstation Ahead of it's time, HTTPd developed, Web Developed @ CERN So I think these can be removed KIM-1, Should be part of a CPU collection, which I think the museum should have. IBM PC Jr., I don't see the significance HP-85B, I don't see the significance Our homebrewed "Dudley" PDP-8 clone. N Apple Mac Portable, there were earlier laptops SWTPC 6800 --------------------- My comments: >> Atari 400/800 ... They sold these through SEARS. Good point. >> I know that the PET/Apple II came out earlier, but they were not targeted to home users. Yes some people purchased them for the home. They were not designed that way. So? Exhibit isn't just about home computers. Nothing will convince us to remove the PET and Apple II. :) >> The Apple II was a $1200 just for the machine and over $2000 complete. I would argue that is not targeting the Home Computer Market. Schools, my friend!!! Apple II dominated. >> Next Workstation Ahead of it's time We don't have one. >> So I think these can be removed KIM-1, Should be part of a CPU collection, which I think the museum should have. Eventually. There won't be room for that exhibit in stage one. >> IBM PC Jr., I don't see the significance Big Blue's entry into home computing. >> HP-85B, I don't see the significance HP was a big player in engineering micros, while the home users were building Altairs and playing with BASIC .... I think we should teach this. Too many history books teach people that homebrew and hobby systems were the ONLY small computers back then. Our homebrewed "Dudley" PDP-8 clone. N As previously explained -- this is our best example, albeit technically a mini, of a desktop-sized homemade system. Got to show at least one such thing. Apple Mac Portable, there were earlier laptops Of course, I wrote a book about that. :) Maybe show something that was more of a commodity, such as (any) run-of-the-mill mid/late-1980s laptop.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] eml attachments
by Evan Koblentz 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

> Simple fix for me. Add me to the list with the address: thebogans(a)mac.com Done. You'll get a confirmation email.

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Halloween, still!
by Evan Koblentz 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

InfoAge is keeping the Halloween scarefest open tonight and tomorrow night. Go visit!

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OT - Dell Monitor on Newegg Shell Shocker Deal
by Chris Fala 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

Seems like a great price for a 24" monitor. http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260338

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Place your hoodie orders
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic writes: >Sending this message to the old list in addition to new list, so nobody >claims "I didn't get it" later.... > >We are ready to take orders for the Federation hoodies. They'll be black >with front pockets and (obviously) hoods. Design will be our new logo on >the front. Only change is the keys won't have the gray shadow, because >that would be a third color and too expensive. Logo?

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] our new museum -- micro exhibit -- pick 28! (Evan Koblentz)
by Bob Shuster 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

> 1. Our homebrewed "Dudley" PDP-8 clone > 2. Apple 1 (Mimeo) > 3. Apple 2 > 4. Apple Lisa (2/10) > 5. Apple Mac 128K > 6. Apple Mac Portable > 7. AT&T (but which one? 6300, 7300, or 3B2?) > 8. Commodore PET 2001 > 9. Commodore 64 > 10. Commodore Amiga (500?) > 11. Compaq Portable > 12. HP-85B > 13. IBM 5100 > 14. IBM 5150 > 15. IBM PC Jr. > 16. IBM (or generic) Windows 3.1 > 17. IMSAI 8080 > 18. Mark-8 > 19. MITS Altair 8800 > 20. MOS Tech KIM-1 > 21. Osborne 1 > 22. Processor Tech SOL-20 > 23. Scelbi-8H (repro) > 24. Sinclair ZX-80 > 25. SWTPC 6800 > 26. TRS-80 Model 1 > 27. TRS-80 Model 100 > 28. Xerox 860 > > And ..... go! I believe an 8-bit Atari system needs to be part of any exhibit concerning early microcomputers, either an Atari 400 or Atari 800. The first one came out in 1979 and was a logical extension to the successful Atari 2600 gaming console and was a big part of the “home computer as gaming console” movement. Star Raiders was the best game and a big selling point! If nothing else, Atari remained an important computer manufacturer, pushing the leading edge (for example first computer to include a MIDI interface with the ST line) and should be represented. Also noticeably missing is the TI 99/4 or 4a. Among the first (if not *the* first) 16-bit home computers, and the TI 99/4a held about 35% of the home computer market at its peak before Jack Tramiel and Commodore buried them. I definitely believe Atari and Texas Instruments should be represented as important companies in early home computing. I would also make a half-hearted appeal for a Mattel Aquarius computer, the least-successful home computer ever. This came out in 1983 to compete with the VIC-20 and TI 99/4a, and was cancelled four months later. About 8,000 were sold. - Bob Shuster

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Place your hoodie orders
by Evan Koblentz 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

Sending this message to the old list in addition to new list, so nobody claims "I didn't get it" later.... We are ready to take orders for the Federation hoodies. They'll be black with front pockets and (obviously) hoods. Design will be our new logo on the front. Only change is the keys won't have the gray shadow, because that would be a third color and too expensive. Speaking of prices: Small through XL = $20, 2XL = $25, 3XL = $30. All are men's sizes. Kids/womens/or anything bigger than 3XL not available at this time. ***** VERY IMPORTANT: ***** - All orders MUST be placed by next Friday (Nov. 13) at 5PM ET. At that point I'll email our order to the shirt company. Procrastinators will have to wait for another batch some other time. - You must prepay. Hoodies are too expensive for us to lay out the money and chase you down for it later. Acceptable methods of payment are through PayPal (hoodies(a)vintagecomputerfederation.org) or send a check to Vintage Computer Federation. Our address is P.O. Box 417, Eatontown, NJ, 07724. - Put the sizes and quantities you want into the PayPal comments box or the check memo field. - DO NOT say "I'll take size XYZ" in email (to me, the list, or wherever) and expect us to fill that order. Follow instructions above.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] DOS Floppy Disks
by tom.hornberger＠verizon.net 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

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FS: Vintage 24 Bit Pattern Generators
by Systems Glitch 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

I've got three of these for sale: http://www.ebay.com/itm/272038025877 Zero information on them, they're just a RC oscillator driving a bunch of CMOS counters. Copyright date of 1985. They're powered from a single 3V lithium cell, which is included. Verified operation with my oscilloscope. These were probably intended to produce stable patterns for students familiarizing themselves with logic analyzers and/or oscilloscopes. Thanks, Jonathan

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Wow! Impressive list support
by Evan Koblentz 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

At my request, Jason H. sent our group's list research to the provider support people. They said there is one IP per server, and there's one U.S. server, so that issue is moot. Jason also told them: ------------------------------ We were seeing inconsistent spam flagging from some providers, the biggest of which was Google. We noticed that in some cases, incoming mail from www.mailmanlists.us to Google's SMTP servers were failing SPF validation. Looking into the headers of said messages showed two different scenarios. One where SMTP communication occurred over ipv4, which was fine. And one where it occurred over ipv6 which resulted in the following header: Received-SPF: softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org does not designate 2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe36:d305 as permitted sender) client-ip=2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe36:d305; Adding your ipv6 address (2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe36:d305) to our SPF record has cleared up the random spam flagging issue, but does raise a couple of other issues. Many times reverse lookups are used to help identify spam, since you don't have an AAAA record defined for www.mailmanlists.us, nor a reverse ptr record, this may cause an issue for some clients. Though we've not witnessed any adverse behavior attributable to this, it is something to keep in mind. A few suggestions on how to fix the issue for all your customers who may unknowingly be experiencing issues: 1) Either kill ipv6 on your host (which is probably not the right way forward given the way things are moving). or 2) Get your ipv6 entries setup, and have your clients add analogous ipv6 entries for their lists DNS and SPF records. Honestly, don't feel bad about this, I think google made some change a couple weeks ago and I was caught flat-footed on this with my own mail server when everyone suddenly started talking ipv6 to each other. ------------------------------ List support guy wrote back: "We'll follow your suggestions and get them done this afternoon." ------------------------------ That is amazing. - Evan

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Possible spam fix: DNS change
by Evan Koblentz 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Yesterday's messages about our headers + spam made me realize we were on to something. I called Jason H. and he determined that the txt record in our DNS settings -- the GoDaddy registrar side, not the mailing list side -- needed to have an IPv6 entry (vs only an IPv4) to properly synchronize. We made that change. Jason will explain it better than I could. If it seems to be fixed then we'll inform the list company.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Please read: Donations / Federation update
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic writes: >Everyone, > >Here are some very important updates. > >Vintage Computer Federation, a 501(c)3 federal non-profit, is documented >by the IRS at http://tinyurl.com/pmvrur7. > >We are working on expanding our presence in popular sites such as >GuideStar, Charity Navigator, and wherever it seems appropriate. Our >fiscal year ends June 30. At that time, we'll make a public financial >report as required by federal law. > >However, with the calendar year ending in less than two months, now is >an excellent time for everyone to consider donating to us! You'll >receive a form to complete. You keep a copy, give another to us, and the >third to your tax preparer. > >Where would your donation go? > >Lots of places. It costs money to (for example) build our new museum >exhibits, conduct 'rescues' of vintage computers, host the Vintage >Computer Festival East, bring our exhibits to other events, get supplies >for workshops and Festivus, keep the storage warehouse organized, >maintain our (coming soon!) new web site, pay various accountant/legal >fees, buy insurance, market ourselves, and grow a capital fund for >future projects. > >There are two ways to donate. Traditionalists can send a check to: >Vintage Computer Federation, P.O. Box 417, Eatontown, NJ, 07724. PayPal >fans should use the email address >donations(a)vintagecomputerfederation.org. (There will also be a button on >the new web site, but that probably won't be ready for a while.) Is the Festivus fund tax deductible?

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Please read: Donations / Federation update
by Evan Koblentz 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Everyone, Here are some very important updates. Vintage Computer Federation, a 501(c)3 federal non-profit, is documented by the IRS at http://tinyurl.com/pmvrur7. We are working on expanding our presence in popular sites such as GuideStar, Charity Navigator, and wherever it seems appropriate. Our fiscal year ends June 30. At that time, we'll make a public financial report as required by federal law. However, with the calendar year ending in less than two months, now is an excellent time for everyone to consider donating to us! You'll receive a form to complete. You keep a copy, give another to us, and the third to your tax preparer. Where would your donation go? Lots of places. It costs money to (for example) build our new museum exhibits, conduct 'rescues' of vintage computers, host the Vintage Computer Festival East, bring our exhibits to other events, get supplies for workshops and Festivus, keep the storage warehouse organized, maintain our (coming soon!) new web site, pay various accountant/legal fees, buy insurance, market ourselves, and grow a capital fund for future projects. There are two ways to donate. Traditionalists can send a check to: Vintage Computer Federation, P.O. Box 417, Eatontown, NJ, 07724. PayPal fans should use the email address donations(a)vintagecomputerfederation.org. (There will also be a button on the new web site, but that probably won't be ready for a while.)

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Semi-OT: Old Test Equipment
by Systems Glitch 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Fired up my GenRad 1217-B Pulse Generator, which is mostly tubes (I think there's transistors in there somewhere, haven't had it apart in a long time), and set the pulse width to 1 mS: http://imgur.com/X1KwZ8e Automeasure on the Tek 2432A says 1.04 mS, not bad! Especially since 1 mS is the range select, and the actual width is set with a vernier dial! Unfortunately it's probably worth more for the tubes than as a pulse generator, nowadays. Thanks, Jonathan

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] One month 'til Festivus!
by David Ryskalczyk 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Got an empty MIME attachment from Tony... David Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > <mime-attachment>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] test without link
by Evan Koblentz 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

The only one I could not see was Chris L.'s.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Can you see this reply Dean?
by Jonathan Gevaryahu 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

On 11/5/2015 11:31 AM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic wrote: blank message body, but the .eml html attachment contains valid contents. -- Jonathan Gevaryahu jgevaryahu(a)gmail.com jgevaryahu(a)hotmail.com

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] test without link
by Dean Notarnicola 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Blank On Thursday, November 5, 2015, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] test without link
by Tony Bogan 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Both came through fine for me.Tony Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, November 5, 2015, 11:18 AM, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: Ok.. I am testing text without a link per se.. I put it in quotes. "anewdayauctions.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=3493&aid=101939&lid=273…" Lets see what this does

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Can you see this reply Dean?
by Dean Notarnicola 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Blank message body :-( On Thursday, November 5, 2015, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] test without link
by Dean Notarnicola 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Blank message body On Thursday, November 5, 2015, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >

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Can you see this reply Dean?
by Tony Bogan 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

This came through fine for me and the link worked perfectly.Apparently Dean could not see it though.Tony Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, November 5, 2015, 11:07 AM, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: I am sending this as a test (sending plain text with a link) Apple IIc Prototype. Looks legit. https://anewdayauctions.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=3493&aid=101939…

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test without link
by Christian Liendo 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Ok.. I am testing text without a link per se.. I put it in quotes. "anewdayauctions.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=3493&aid=101939&lid=273…" Lets see what this does

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Test with an interesting auction
by Dean Notarnicola 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Blank message body On Thursday, November 5, 2015, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >

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DOS Floppy Disks
by Tom H. 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

To All, I have an offer from a former colleague to get ~1000 DOS Floppies that he has in filing cabinets. They contain MSDOS programs from DOS 1.0 and up. If VCF or any members are interested, I can make arrangements to get them. My former colleague wants to shit can them next Tue the 10th. Thanks, Tom H

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MIME format
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

I am pretty sure that our list automatically strips MIME-formatted messages. Basically we have a choice. We can keep that setting and appease people who don't want formatted stuff, or we can eliminate it and appease people who don't want to use plain text. My opinion is that eliminating the option is probably the better choice, because it would be a compromise between having a traditional list vs. having a configuration which would likely not work for some (especially younger) members.

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Internet Archive telethon
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Recommended reading: http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4813

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Can you see me?
by Herb Johnson 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

I read the list from the lists.v..c..f.org Web site, with an old version of Firefox Web browser. I am of course registered to the list but I have turned off email sends to me. This email was from my email client and constructed with correct To: and subject: "by hand". Never mind why I do this. When I read on my Web browser, Tony Bogan's email message, Wed Nov 4 14:44:51 CET 2015, from the v...c..f site, my Web browser shows the usual previous/next/messages sorted stuff, the subject line and so on. The body of the message is only An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <so and so/attachment.html> [as active link] Upon clicking the link above, my browser does NOT show an HTML document, it shows the text content of the HTML document with of course HTML tags. Now, oddly enough, when I download that HTML document and save it as a plain-text file with an HTML extension; and then "click" the file to display it under my same Web browser; the browser accepts the HTML tags and processes the HTML tags. I make no comments as I'm not qualified. Others with more knowledge can do what I've done as a diagnostic if it's useful. And of course one can access the lists.v..c..f.org Web site to see messages, some of which they may not have received by email. Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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One month 'til Festivus!
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

I'm excited about it. Will bring a big tray of soft pretzels. Those went over well last year.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Can you see me?
by Systems Glitch 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

> So can anyone see this? I can. I do get both a RFC822 email and a plaintext message, so I'm assuming your client is sending in both HTML + Plaintext. Pretty sure that's the way you want it, if you're stuck with sending HTML email. Thanks, Jonathan

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Unsure Can you see me?
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

>> Ok, kinda feel like the Whos from Horton Hears a Who. "We are here! We are here!" So can anyone see this? Who? Errrr yes.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Can you see me?
by Ian Primus 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Yes, I can see you. On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tony Bogan <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> > To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org" < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> > Cc: > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 05:44:51 -0800 > Subject: Can you see me? > > Ok, kinda feel like the Whos from Horton Hears a Who. > > "We are here! We are here!" > > So can anyone see this? > Tony > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0> > >

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Can you see me?
by Tony Bogan 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] More Pest Toast then, thx for the failure feedback
by Dan Roganti 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tony Bogan <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> > To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org" < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> > Cc: > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:04:15 -0800 > Subject: RE: [vcf-midatlantic] More Pest Toast then, thx for the failure > feedback > > this one is Blank on my end But even looking at the source for Tony's email it's still encoded gibberish no plain message text at all -- at least with the others there was plain message text in the source see below Delivered-To: ragooman(a)gmail.com Received: by 10.28.33.5 with SMTP id h5csp2175833wmh; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.194.5 with SMTP id p5mr44141493qha.84.1446602828694; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Received: from www.mailmanlists.us (deusmachina.io. 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List support, another update
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

1:45AM ET -- Heard back from the support people. They created a new list, on the same server as ours, using the the same settings -- and they were unable to replicate our problem. Below is the message they sent me verbatim: ================================== Hi Evan, After running the test list on the server you are on, I've set the following on your list - so that it matches what we used on the test list. ****************** Content filtering: Should Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part content? (Edit collapse_alternatives) YES Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. (Edit convert_html_to_plaintext) NO ***************** We tested sending HTML emails and plain text emails, and used several email programs to check reception. In every case, the subject and message body is showing as correct. In short, we haven't been able to replicate the issue as described. Mail sending and reception tested on: Thunderbird Alpine SquirrelMail Roundcube Gmail.com Yahoo.com AOL.com There is nothing in the log files reporting errors on your list. So at this point we are none the wiser as to why this is only happening for users on your list. A last ditch effort would be to remove your list completely, and create a new one. This would just be voodoo if it made any difference at all - as there is nothing logical about why that would make a difference. Before we do that though, you may want to try one last message to the list to test the change I made. I suspect all your members are getting fed up with test messages.

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List failures, and another test
by Ian Primus 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Looking back through the messages that I got last night... seems that I'm missing a lot of them. I have replys to messages that I never got the original to. And I'm seeing a lot of blank messages too. Also, I don't seem to get copies of my own messages from the list, either. -Ian

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another list support update
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Got this message from support: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Hi Evan, This is a new one for us. The recent upgrade to Mailman 2.1.20 has thrown a few curved balls. We spinning up a new test list just now, on the server that you are on, to confirm that it's not happening system wide. We're also going to be testing on a few different email applications to see if there is a problem there. My apologies for the grief. And I hope to have a resolution in the next couple of hours.

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More pest toasting
by Mike Loewen 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Every message I see posted by Tony Bogan is empty. Pasted below are the message headers, minus the first batch of received headers. There are always two parts: a RFC822 part, with lots of headers but no body, and a text/plain part which is completely empty. My email client is alpine. Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org" <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> In-Reply-To: <430bfb03-e9c2-48fe-8295-49114d23da04(a)snarc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <mailman.22.1446605462.1696.vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> List-Id: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic.lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> List-Post: <mailto:vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> From: Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Precedence: list Cc: Tony Bogan <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org List-Subscribe: <http://lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org/mailman/listinfo/vcf-midatlantic>, <mailto:vcf-midatlantic-request@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org/mailman/options/vcf-midatlantic>, <mailto:vcf-midatlantic-request@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org/pipermail/vcf-midatlantic/> Reply-To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> List-Help: <mailto:vcf-midatlantic-request@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org?subject=help> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Georgr Boole's Birthday 200 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Errors-To: vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org Sender: "vcf-midatlantic" <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 03:51:02 +0100 (CET) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 192.168.202.1 Parts/Attachments: 1 Shown 3.5 KB Message, "Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Georgr Boole's Birthday 200" 1.1 Shown 1 lines Text ---------------------------------------- [ Part 1: "Included Message" ] Return-Path: <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> X-Original-To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org Delivered-To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org Received: from nm44-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm44-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.87.29]) by www.mailmanlists.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C45952E589 for <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org>; 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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Unsure Re: Georgr Boole's Birthday 200
by Evan Koblentz 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

I am seeing Tony's emails as blank. Aaaaaarrgggghhhh all I wanted was a mailing list

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Heard back from the list provider
by Evan Koblentz 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Heard back from the list provider (it's morning where they are in Australia). They joined our list and will watch some of the traffic tonight, so as to see the problem firsthand. (Hi list provider people!)

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Georgr Boole's Birthday 200
by Duane 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

All, Not your analog George but the one you learned about in your computer class George Boole's Birthday Duane

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More Pest Toast then, thx for the failure feedback
by Corey Little 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Thanks for the feedback on the last post Dan, Tony. This is the other end of the spectrum, logging in to the gmail web interface I never use and figuring out how to select "plain text mode". If this doesn't come across readable then I do not know what to try next. Also FWIW, I have yet to see my posts show up echoed in my inbox, even once. I have checked the preferences I have selected and do not have echo turned off. Anyone else seeing (or not seeing) their echo? Thanks, -Corey L.

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TEST 4
by Duane 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

TEST 01234567 10

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List test
by Ian Primus 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Testing. Testing. 123. Is this thing on?

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Perhaps it's all good now....
by Evan Koblentz 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

...Because I am getting tired of test messages like this one. :)

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Info Needed: International Data Systems 88-SPM Clock Module (s100)
by Systems Glitch 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

All, Can't seem to find any information, other than a few magazine ads, on a S100 clock board I've got. It's marked: 1980 IDS International Data Systems, INC 88-SPM Clock Module V01 Looks like it's another TTL clock, I can't pick out any RTC chips or repurposed alarm clocks. Schematic, manual, programs you know interact with one of these, et c. would be super helpful! Thanks, Jonathan

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Another Pest Toast - it isn't blank
by Corey Little 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Per request, more pest toasting, for troubleshooting. This is how I would naturally post, without resorting to an alternate web client, or specifying text only vs. HTML when I post. I can do any of the latter as required, but this is the first test, to see if I need to. There is also an attached image file, a 930KB jpg. The first one of you who identifies it wins a prize. If any of you see it, the new board win a prize. Feedback appreciated. -Corey L. Curator, cpmuseum.com http://www.cpmuseum.com <http://www.cpmuseum.com/>

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