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VCF-MA Steering Committee Public Update
by Jeff Salzman 03 Feb '23

03 Feb '23

The VCF-MA Steering Committee last met on Jan 24, 2023. Here are a few highlights of our discussion: *Collections Management* The organization is looking to adopt a tried-and-true system to manage the warehouse collection. Our partners at System Source use an open-source software known as CollectiveAccess, and we are looking at adapting that software for our needs. *Organizational E-Mail Addresses* If you ever get assigned a vcfed.org email address due to your participation in an elected position, or for other required organizational appointments, it is the decision of the national board to discontinue your access to that email address two weeks after your appointment ends. That email address will then be forwarded to a catch-all e-mail address in order to maintain contact with any external resources you established for organizational business needs. Although it's best practice to only use a vcfed.org email for organizational communications only, the two week period is a courtesy to give you time to "disconnect" yourself from any personal contacts established while using that email address. *IBM 1130* The IBM 1130 restoration project has been delayed about one month due to Carl Claunch's requirements. Carl is the person VCF-MA commissioned to do our restoration. *Docents* Docents are being asked to check that the VCF-MA warehouse doors are locked when they leave for the day. This is a prudent measure to protect organizational assets. *YouTube* Corey Cohen has been posting more videos to the VCF-MA YouTube channel. Please check them out! Vintage Computer Federation - YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/@vcfederation/videos> Sincerely, Jeff Salzman Chairman VCF-MA Steering Committee

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OT: HA! I can't believe this is a REAL product!
by Chris Fala 03 Feb '23

03 Feb '23

https://www.newegg.com/p/17B-0461-00011?Item=9SIAUSRHHU3805

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Next Repair Workshop February 11 & 12, 2023
by Jeffrey Brace 02 Feb '23

02 Feb '23

Next repair workshop at InfoAge is February 11 & 12, 2023 Signup here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TIBIkSTCDako3Cl6coDLsaT-H7_kX_jgKb2… ========================================= Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Ultimate Power Solution
by Herbert Johnson 02 Feb '23

02 Feb '23

Thanks to Dave Shevett for clarifying that this supposed product is a work of fiction and Photoshop. Without going on about it, I do not care for a class of post which amounts to a joke that people keep extending in reply. I don't care for this joke in particular. I went to the suggested home-page. The first thing I saw, was a supposed Macintosh on a supposed desktop - entirely fake. Vintage Mac models can be hard to identify sometimes, so it's an annoying poke-in-the-eye about that. Discussing the art of this artist, would be off-topic. As is, disinformation, however amusing it appears to be. And blowing up capacitors deliberately, is not fun to me, someone who does repair work. So, all in all, I was unhappy with this particular thread. While I could simply ignore it, it seems to me that if threads are either ignored or appreciated, that becomes approval. But "yes" is not the absence of "no". So I vote "no" on this thread. regards, Herb Johnson > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:59 AM Jeff S wrote: > >> Found the perfect solution for the limited power taps for VCF and the >> Workshops. No more fighting... except when trying to exit the building in time to save >> yourself. >> >> Power Strip >> <https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnxAJ2xXwAEXPFZ?format=jpg&name=medium> > Dave Shevett writes: > This is the work of Dana Sibera, aka 'nanoraptor' - she does some amazing > mockups of 'machines / equipment that never existed' > https://bitbang.social/@NanoRaptor/109769185815969896 > > Highly recommend looking at her work. > > Here's her home page > https://bitbang.social/@NanoRaptor > > -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net

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Free Apple IIGS, drives, books - come and get
by Bill Degnan 02 Feb '23

02 Feb '23

I have an Apple IIGS with a bad power supply. No monitor. Disk drives, untested. Lots of books and manuals.....all free. First come first served. 126 S. Union St. Kennett Sq., PA 19350 No I will not ship or bring with me to the next event. There are other free items in the Kennett Classic free pile. Bursting at the seams at the moment. If you take everything I will throw in a free Commodore poster. Will post pics to Twitter @billdeg Bill

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] WD 1001-05
by Neil Cherry 01 Feb '23

01 Feb '23

Seems Herb and you are interested in the board. So far I don't know what it's worth and if it works. Last time I used it was in the early 90s with the Atari ST. I don't know what happened to the Atari interface. I think I also have the Cisco/AT&T BRouter and Cisco ACS. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry kd2zrq(a)linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies KD2ZRQ

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ultimate Power Solution
by Ian Litchfield 01 Feb '23

01 Feb '23

I feel like we would need atleast 6 of those for our uses. I say get one just to test it On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:37 Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Plug in too many USB 3 devices and you may have a fire! > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > > > On Feb 1, 2023, at 10:15 AM, Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > On 2/1/23 09:58, Jeff S via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > >> Found the perfect solution for the limited power taps for VCF and the > >> Workshops. > >> No more fighting... except when trying to exit the building in time to > save > >> yourself. 😁😎 > >> Power Strip > >> <https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnxAJ2xXwAEXPFZ?format=jpg&name=medium> > > > > 900W/4A > > "Power outlet for Home, Office, Dorm, Gamin Room, Fire." > > > > At least there truth in that advertisement. ;-) > > > > Please tell me that thing is not real and that someone had fun with > > Photoshop. > > > > -- > > Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry kd2zrq(a)linuxha.com > > http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site > > http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog > > Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies KD2ZRQ > >

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Ultimate Power Solution
by Jeff S 01 Feb '23

01 Feb '23

Found the perfect solution for the limited power taps for VCF and the Workshops. No more fighting... except when trying to exit the building in time to save yourself. 😁😎 Power Strip <https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnxAJ2xXwAEXPFZ?format=jpg&name=medium>

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Vox Media's Lisa Article
by Christian Liendo 31 Jan '23

31 Jan '23

I guess they didn't get their hands on one https://www.theverge.com/c/23570610/apple-lisa-computer-legacy

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Media Vision Sound Card/CD interface
by Neil Cherry 30 Jan '23

30 Jan '23

Anyone interested in a PC Media Vision Sound Card. last used ??? Yes, I've been going through my stuff looking for my EPROM burner manuals. I'm finding all sort of interesting 3COM network cards (16 bit), serial/parallel/ Game/FDC cards (16 bit). I still haven't found my second manual (grrr). Did find one of my 6809 card I worked on in the 1980's :-) -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry kd2zrq(a)linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies KD2ZRQ

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WD 1001-05
by Neil Cherry 30 Jan '23

30 Jan '23

I have a WD 1001-05 (no a PC board). Anyone interested in buying this? Here's a picture of it: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/westernDigital/WD100x/WD1001-05/WD1001-05.jpg Last used in the 1990's with my Atari ST. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry kd2zrq(a)linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies KD2ZRQ

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it's new to me: eject a floppy in zero-g
by Jeffrey Jonas 30 Jan '23

30 Jan '23

It turns out touchpads won over trackball or mouse in 0-g. Scott Manley shows Ejecting A Floppy Disk in Zero-G - Why NASA Flew A Mac on the Space Shuttle https://youtu.be/99pXlcakHdE -- jeff jonas

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Ideas for VCF 2023 t-shirts
by Jeffrey Brace 30 Jan '23

30 Jan '23

I'm starting the process for ideas and a design for this year's t-shirt. If anyone has any ideas that they want to throw to us, then please do so by replying to this email either publicly or privately. Keep in mind that we may not use your idea, so don't feel disappointed if we choose another. One t-shirt that was really popular was the "dragon" t-shirt which had the IBM 5150 running Adventure and a dragon on the side. Perhaps a similar iconic creature would be popular with people. Thanks! ========================================= Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ideas for VCF 2023 t-shirts
by Chris Fala 28 Jan '23

28 Jan '23

That idea has potential. I like it. On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 2:04 PM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > How about a Rube Goldberg design using a chip and supporting components.? > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > > > On Jan 28, 2023, at 1:57 PM, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > I could just be a simple Blinky light circuit, just to make comment to > the > > inderlying.technology that supports our hobby. How about that old 6502 > > test circuit?. Very easy to make into a shirt design dors anyone here > > knownwhat Inmean? I could draw it if anyone not sure > > > >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 6:48 AM Jeff S via vcf-midatlantic < > >> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >> > >> The 74S181 is a remarkable chip in computing history, but I feel it may > be > >> too esoteric on a t-shirt if we were make it the theme of the t-shirt. > >> > >> If the schematic was used as a generic graphic, along with a VCF slogan > or > >> something, people might easily understand it as "something about > >> computing." If we called it what it is on the shirt, it'll probably > >> generate questions like, "why this?", As opposed to the more common, > "What > >> is this?" > >> > >> Questions from the public are good, but questions from a confused public > >> are not as good. Unless we have exhibits or a show theme about the > >> historical significance of the 74S181, then it's schematic graphic > wouldn't > >> work as a t-shirt graphic focused on the chip itself. It might actually > >> hurt t-shirt sales. If you showed one of our average visitors a labeled > >> picture of the 74S181 and an IBM PC, and asked them which one they would > >> buy as a t-shirt, what do you believe they will choose? > >> > >> Think of it like this... why did we put a Commodore 64 graphic on a > t-shirt > >> before, instead of a schematic or block diagram of its VIC-II chip? The > >> latter is a significant chip in computing history, but people will more > >> readily recognize a computer more than a specific chip. > >> > >> I first wasn't wholly set on suggesting an IBM PC as the t-shirt > graphic, > >> but good points and arguments were made in this thread about doing so. > >> Either way, the t-shirt graphic should be something more readily > recognized > >> by a passing viewer AND be historically significant this year. In lieu > of > >> any other ideas, the IBM PC would be a better choice in my opinion. > >> > >> The 74S181 sure would be a great exhibit of historical significance if > >> someone needed an exhibit idea. 🙂 > >> > >> Jeff Salzman > >> > >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 1:20 AM Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic < > >> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 1/27/2023 9:49 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > >>>> On 1/27/23 21:20, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > >>>>> One working circuit idea: > >>>>> I just was researching the TI ALU that some mini computers used > >>>>> prior to microprocesses, 74S181. It was pretty influential. > >>>>> The logic diagram could work as a graphic to wear. > >>> > >> > >

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(off topic) - options for smaller than 19" receiver/amp for multiple RCA connections?
by John Heritage 28 Jan '23

28 Jan '23

Hey folks, Just wondering - I have multiple vintage devices sharing an old 19" Onkyo receiver. It works great but takes up a lot of desk space. If I replaced it with a smaller amp (that I could mount under a desk) what are some options for hooking up multiple RCA cables and switching between them? Would appreciate links to example devices. (Fwiw - currently I keep an Amiga, an ST, and a Sega Genesis attached but only use sound on one at a time. May add a 4th device later). If you're linking something with an amp (which is cool) my power requirements aren't huge. 40w RMS would be ideal. Thanks! John

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Help with Advertising VCF East 2023
by Jeffrey Brace 27 Jan '23

27 Jan '23

If you would like to help me advertise VCF East 2023, then please let me know and update this Google Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bTUD823vqyATavVYWGs8k5fdYBQRdk6cIUR… Thanks! ========================================= Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Updated VCF East exhibitors list
by Jeffrey Brace 27 Jan '23

27 Jan '23

I had some time tonight. I updated the VCF East 2023 Exhibitor List. There are 20 exhibitors so far. We still have plenty of room for exhibits. Deadline is March 24 for exhibits. Keep them coming! Thanks! On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 12:43 PM Peter Fletcher via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > I had a friend ask me about attending VCF East this year and wanted a list > of what to expect from the exhibitors. I pointed him to > https://vcfed.org/events/vintage-computer-festival-east/vcf-east-exhibits/ > but there are only two exhibits listed which I assume is not up to date. > > Is there a current list I can show him? > > Thanks! > > -Pete > >

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1986 Matrix Film Recorder
by Jeffrey Brace 27 Jan '23

27 Jan '23

Someone contacted me about help with diagnosing a problem with the electronics of a 1986 Matrix Film Recorder. They live near Montclair, NJ. If anyone is interested in helping out, then please contact me off list. Thanks! ========================================= Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Updated VCF East exhibitors list
by Jeffrey Brace 27 Jan '23

27 Jan '23

Hello Pete, Sorry for the delay. I've been busy. I will update the list by this weekend. I needed to process the exhibits, approve the exhibits, check the description, etc. Jeff On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 12:43 PM Peter Fletcher via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > I had a friend ask me about attending VCF East this year and wanted a list > of what to expect from the exhibitors. I pointed him to > https://vcfed.org/events/vintage-computer-festival-east/vcf-east-exhibits/ > but there are only two exhibits listed which I assume is not up to date. > > Is there a current list I can show him? > > Thanks! > > -Pete > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] x86 question (was:Ideas for VCF 2023 t-shirts)
by Bill Degnan 27 Jan '23

27 Jan '23

As everyone knows in the mid 80's companies making home/small business computers fell under huge pressure to produce IBM compatibles or face going out of business. IBM totally dominated the enitre computer market (PC, Mini, Mainframe) then. There were exceptions of course. 8-bit home computers that were cheap survived, early high-end workstations, desktop publishing machines, etc. Look up the marketing info you will see what I mean. Fast forward to 1997 or so, when "vintage computing" as we know it today started, people wanted to focus on the computers that came before the IBM PC. IT was kind of a rebellion against how boring modern computers at the time had become. In particular interest was the homebrew era (73-79) stuff and the computers by companies who went out of business due to IBM market dominance. Add in the home gaming machines and you have "vintage 1997 vintage computing". That's why Commodore, Atari, Sinclair, etc. produced in the 80's were "OK" but the IBM PC was not. If you wanted to do an exhibit at an early VCF, the peer pressure at the time was to exhibit things like the SOL-20, Altair, RCA Cosmac Elf, etc. Stuff from Byte magazines in 1975 were the show stoppers. There was an equal contingent of cool DEC hardware. Basically the culture was "anything but IBM because IBM made computers boring and corporate" IBM mainframe hardware was OK though. Each subsdequent VCF year brought more and more Commodore, Atari, Tandy and Apple stuff. Today these manufacturers make up a majority of the shows. "vintage 2023 vintage computing" is often dominated by 8-bit hardware, Amiga, MAC, SGI, NeXT, stuff like that. DEC and S-100 systems are getting quite rare in VCF's now, but there are the dihard exhibits of these. And of course this is just a generalization, there are always rare and interesting things from foreign lands, mods, etc. The 30th anniversary of the IBM PC was I think the first time there was an IBM PC exhibit, and it only contained the very first models, CP/M, etc. On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 11:11 AM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > There are so many people out there with IBM and compatibles that are from > the early 80s. > They really should be considered vintage as well as “retro” > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > > > On Jan 27, 2023, at 10:39 AM, Jeff Galinat via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > I have heard the argument you describe. The x86 PC thing is something I > > never understood at all. The IBM PC was released in 1981 and the XT was > > released in 1983 both predating the Mac. > > I just don’t get it. > > Jeff Galinat > > > >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 4:39 AM Jeff S via vcf-midatlantic < > >> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >> > >> > >> The IBM XT would work, too, but there's still that hanging argument that > >> x86 PC systems will never be considered "vintage" in any way. > >> > >> > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Seeking Applesauce FDC testimonials - museum use
by Dave McGuire 27 Jan '23

27 Jan '23

Ok. That's a tough nut to crack. -Dave On 1/27/23 11:59, drummy wrote: > The Univac tapes are 7 track. > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Date: 1/27/23 11:41 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Cc: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Seeking Applesauce FDC testimonials - > museum use > > On 1/27/23 11:40, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > I welcome a bit of illumination to help me form > > a vision of the totality of the problems. > > On the tape subject, one practical need I'd like to > > crack this year is archiving the UNIVAC 1219 tapes. > > Lets start a new thread on tapes if anyone has more to > > offer at this time. > > We do a lot of tape archiving at LSSM, and can help with some of this. > > Are the Univac's tapes 7-track, or 9? > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Seeking Applesauce FDC testimonials
by Douglas Crawford 27 Jan '23

27 Jan '23

I'm wondering how comprehensive a solution it has become and how well it works on all supported formats. If anyone recommends it from first hand experience for doing all the disk formats that it is supposed do, please contact me off list. (I have done disk image management with all the varied tools but if Applesause does it all well with one package I may go this way for the museum and warehouse use. I need to know before I set up all the old stand-byes to support our disk imaging) - Doug Crawford VCF Museum Mgr

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Seeking Applesauce FDC testimonials - museum use
by David Ryskalczyk 27 Jan '23

27 Jan '23

The Applesauce is the only option that has a very easy-to-use GUI that can easily be taught to people who are not familiar or comfortable with command-line. It also has very good support from the developer. As far as I am aware, it is the only device capable of writing copy-protected disks with advanced forms of copy protection such as spiral tracking, though that part is an advanced feature that requires an understanding of copy protection and some manual analysis to mark up start- and stop-write markers. The Applesauce also has a fast imager that is extremely useful for data recovery of non-copy-protected disks, as it minimizes the time that the disk is being read. Additionally, for most formats the Applesauce software is capable of read-only parsing of the filesystem and file extraction. This functionality is leveraged for verification of data in the fast imager. Applesauce (hardware and software) does require a relatively modern Mac as its host computer. For some that has been a roadblock. The other available options are: Kryoflux — extremely expensive institutional license would be required (multiple thousands of dollars per year), potential legal minefield with their institutional agreement (potentially forbidding the use of other options) Supercard Pro — Inexpensive, limited format support Greaseweazle — Inexpensive, open source, good product, CLI interface that is not all that easy to use. Would be highly recommended to have one or more for data recovery and advanced use FluxEngine — Open source, software works with Greaseweazle with no caveats, so it makes the Greaseweazle even more useful for data recovery and advanced use HxC Pauline — Expensive, open source, limited availability, no write support now or soon (they seem more interested in drive emulation) Legacy methods: ImageDisk, Anadisk, old hardware — these all rely on having working older hardware. ImageDisk is less flexible than Applesauce (or for that matter Greaseweazle) as it relies on the capabilities of the PC floppy disk controller, and Applesauce (or Greaseweazle) can write IMDs. As the needs here involve writing out new disks that will then be used in museum computers, the only other option here that is at all viable is the Greaseweazle — or one of the legacy methods. As VCF already has an Applesauce that can be used with single-sided single-density 5.25" disks and 3.5" disks, which would cover A list of formats supported by the Applesauce — likely out of date, more formats keep getting added — is here: https://applesaucefdc.com/what-is-applesauce/ Since Herb mentioned floppy replacement technology and that it comes and goes across periods of years, here is some feedback on that: As for floppy replacement technology, the go-to for PC-style interfaces is the FlashFloppy firmware for the Gotek floppy drive emulators, as well as improved Gotek clones. This firmware is open source and has wide format support. The other option is the HxC emulator firmware, which supports some additional formats and also runs on Gotek emulators, but is sold and is not open source. For other computers and floppy interfaces, it is really on a per-machine basis, so devices do come and go. David > On Jan 27, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > From: Sentrytv <sentrytv(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Seeking Applesauce FDC testimonials - museum use > Date: January 27, 2023 at 11:08:41 AM EST > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > > > Personally, maybe a Seminar / class on basics and then get into the details. > Getting to know the hardware, the capabilities, then actually doing some disk imaging and creating. > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > >> On Jan 27, 2023, at 10:33 AM, David Gesswein via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >> >> Would it be better if a couple people could cover the current options or in >> depth on just the Applesauce? >> >>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 04:40:41PM -0500, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> Yep. Probably time to do that. >>> It was covered at VCF East classes some years. >>> Maybe time to do it again. >>> Could do it at a workshop too. >>> >>>> On 1/26/2023 3:29 PM, Sentrytv wrote: >>>> Hey here’s an idea. >>>> >>>> For those people who don’t know and are willing to learn about Applesauce and reading / writing old discs. >>>> >>>> How about having a Workshop/seminar on this topic and a having a full demonstration and class about it? >>>> >>>> Mike Rosen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from: >>>> My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. >>>> >>>>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 3:23 PM, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Follow up- >>>>> >>>>> David R. gave me a generous amount of time today on the phone >>>>> and its clear to me expanding our Applesauce >>>>> allow attachment of an IBM type 5 1/4" and 8" drives >>>>> will cover some high 90% of disk creating that we need >>>>> in the museum. It will provide a single method/user interface >>>>> that enable non-expert users to create needed media >>>>> from images on demand across most all the micros in the >>>>> museum- Apple, Atari, Amiga, PC, CP/M. >>>>> >>>>> I plan to get more familiar with the Applesause system >>>>> and the support facilities available. Soon I will >>>>> gather the upgrade and extra materials we would need >>>>> to account for everything to make the expanded system. >>>>> Following that, we will assemble the pieces and work up the >>>>> functional capabilities at workshops. >>>>> >>>>> FYI- >>>>> Media preservation/data recovery is a different effort >>>>> and will follow this effort. It would likely >>>>> be located in the warehouse. I anticipate using a similar >>>>> applesause system for as much as we can, and augment with >>>>> whatever other systems necessary things it cannot do. >>>>> Hopefully folks really interested in working this part >>>>> of the operation will be able to come forward for lending >>>>> expertise. >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/25/2023 7:04 PM, Alexander Jacocks wrote: >>>>>> Doug, >>>>>> AppleSauce is quite a flexible disk imaging and creating system. John Morris has expanded the tool far beyond its original purpose of Apple II disk management. >>>>>> I have used it to create disks of quite a number of formats, and find that it works as described, and is far easier to use than most other imaging tools. >>>>>> Additionally, John is quite receptive to requests for new formats and features. >>>>>> - Alex >>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2023, at 2:03 PM, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm wondering how comprehensive a solution it >>>>>>> has become and how well it works on all supported >>>>>>> formats. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If anyone recommends it from first hand experience for >>>>>>> doing all the disk formats that it is supposed do, >>>>>>> please contact me off list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (I have done disk image management with all the varied >>>>>>> tools but if Applesause does it all well with one package >>>>>>> I may go this way for the museum and warehouse use. I >>>>>>> need to know before I set up all the old stand-byes to >>>>>>> support our disk imaging) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Doug Crawford >>>>>>> VCF Museum Mgr >>>> > > >

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Seeking Applesauce FDC testimonials
by Herbert Johnson 27 Jan '23

27 Jan '23

>> Douglas Crawford >> >> I'm wondering how comprehensive a solution it >> has become and how well it works on all supported >> formats. ... I may go this way for the museum .. My general observation of floppy replacement technology, is that it comes and goes over periods of years. I have a long view, so I get skeptical. If a developer gets tired of working on some tech (or worse becomes unavailable), what happens to support for problems and availability of the "product"? Tech that uses then-standard microcontrollers (or flavors of Arduinos) may be hard to obtain when that part goes out-of-support. At the least, you have to get spares while available, and source codes for any software. Morso, if you buy for several systems. I don't know this particular product. But I'm asking about long-term support for reasons stated. I'm curious what other think; perhaps several years is enough, enjoying buying something new every several years, etc. regards Herb -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net

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Someone is selling 1, 274 IC DIP and SIP Chip Sockets for $50 King Of Prussia
by Christian Liendo 26 Jan '23

26 Jan '23

Anyone need bulk sockets? https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/sop/d/king-of-prussia-1274-ic-dip-and-s…

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Updated VCF East exhibitors list
by Peter Fletcher 26 Jan '23

26 Jan '23

I had a friend ask me about attending VCF East this year and wanted a list of what to expect from the exhibitors. I pointed him to https://vcfed.org/events/vintage-computer-festival-east/vcf-east-exhibits/ but there are only two exhibits listed which I assume is not up to date. Is there a current list I can show him? Thanks! -Pete

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Information on Intellec 4 mod 40
by Herbert Johnson 26 Jan '23

26 Jan '23

On 1/23/23 18:23, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Someone contacted VCF looking for information on an early intellec 4 > mod 40, a copy of the original RAM based native assembler > Dave McGuire > LSSM received an Intellec 4, a 4 Mod 40, and an 8 Mod 80 this past > fall. Included with the systems was a large amount of documentation > and, I believe, software on paper tape I'm working with Jeff's person. They provided me a ROM image of one of their boards, which contains the same 4040 ROM monitor code as my intellec 4/40 and Kyle Owen's intellec. https://www.retrotechnology.com/restore/int_440.html https://www.retrotechnology.com/restore/intel440_roms.html There's some intellec 4 40 resources around the Web but not too many. So any code or ROMS found on these systems should be evaluated and shared if at all possible. Early-EARLY-days microcomputer systems like these are unique computers by any standards; because there were *no standards* in those days. This is a hard fact to appreciate in a world of consumer computers. Example: The 4/40 never used any mass storage other than paper tape. The 8/80 didn't have Intel-supplied floppy drives; by the time of floppies Intel moved to the Multibus (these aren't Multibus). So, any code would be either paper-tape, or printed source listings, or something archived later onto floppies. Regards Herb -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] rolls of metallic paper
by David Gesswein 25 Jan '23

25 Jan '23

On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 02:03:43PM -0500, bob jeffway.com via vcf-midatlantic wrote: I agree on Tektronix. When I was at UMASS in the 70's, we had a printer on the Tektronix 4012 that had some strange paper like that. White crystals grew on the case where the paper came out - kind of strange, I wonder what the technology was? What I am familiar with for the storage tube machines used dry silver paper. It was exposed by a line CRT in the printer then developed with heat. https://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/4631 Earlier 4610. Title is wrong. https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102662132 They did make a electrostatic one. Never saw it in person. Did use 4610 and 4631 when they were current. https://www.electronixandmore.com/misc/index.php?item=53. This sound different than the aluminum coated paper type previously discussed since it uses toner.

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rolls of metallic paper
by Jeffrey Jonas 25 Jan '23

25 Jan '23

I have some rolls of paper with only a generic part number. 8" wide, like a teletype roll but silver/grey metallic coating. I don't think it's thermal. What printer technology used that? -- Jeff Jonas

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You will never look at CGA the same way again!
by Ethan O'Toole 25 Jan '23

25 Jan '23

Sooo.... the IBM PC CGA. The horrible abomination that it was... this demo came out fairly recently that is CRAZY!! DOS 5150 with the standard PC CGA card and the PC speaker: Area 5150: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWDxdoRTZPc

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Information on Intellec 4 mod 40
by Jeffrey Brace 23 Jan '23

23 Jan '23

Someone contacted VCF looking for information on an early intellec 4 mod 40, from his university years 1974-1977. He is looking for any information or a copy of the original RAM based native assembler, that came on 8-hole paper tape. His machine is being restored after a three/four decades of non-use and he is trying to source the original assembler program. I did refer him to our VCF Forum as well as CHM, but thought I might post to this list as well. Thanks! ========================================= Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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NJ Makesr Day Volunteers
by Jeffrey Brace 22 Jan '23

22 Jan '23

VCF will be participating in a NJ Makers @ InfoAge in the Dining room. It will be March 26 from 11AM to 4PM. All of the other member organization of InfoAge will be participating in the event as well. I'm looking for volunteers to help run our table as well as with planning for this event. If you are interested, then please send me a private reply and I will get in touch with you. We did this last year and it was a great event. Fun and lots of attendees enjoyed it! Thanks! ========================================= Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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2023 VCF Event Dates
by Jeffrey Brace 22 Jan '23

22 Jan '23

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Arsen Arachelian, Vintage Lisa Enthusiast passes at 51
by Christian Liendo 22 Jan '23

22 Jan '23

I worked with him at a Internet service provider called Globix in the 90s, please share with other Apple Enthusiasts Obituary of Arsen Arachelian On January 18, 2023, Arsen “Ray” Arachelian, 51 years old, died of colon cancer. He is survived by his wife Lee Arachelian and two sons William and James Arachelian. Ray was born in Constanta Romania and came to the United States when he was 8 years old. He was the only child of his family. He had a college degree in Computer Science and had been working in IT industry until he died. His last job was with Warner Bros Discovery HBO. Ray had been married since September 1999.He and his wife were together for more than 23 years. His two children are 18 and 15 years old respectively. https://parkfuneralchapels.com/tribute/details/4062/Arsen-Arachelian/obitua… Ray was a Lisa computer enthusiast. He’s the creator of Lisa Emulator and had shared freely his software with people like him around the world. He had donated generously and passionately his time and money on Lisa Project, which was pursued by a small group of enthusiasts trying to keep Lisa legacy alive. He has many admirers and friends within their online community. https://github.com/rayarachelian/lisaem Ray is deeply loved by his families and friends. He’ll forever be missed. Visiting Hours 12:00 pm - 3:00 pm Saturday, January 28, 2023 Park Funeral Chapel 2175 Jericho Turnpike Garden City Park, New York, United States

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VCF East related.....
by Martin Flynn 22 Jan '23

22 Jan '23

*The good news:* CDL deployed a combination phone and network jack next to the lobby fireplace for digital signage during VCF East. CDL has the stand and player, need to source a suitable display * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/IMG_3222-scaled.jpg *The bad news:* Persons unknown decided spend a day scrapping out the both the Army and InfoAge installed telephone and data cables in the hotel basement * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/IMG_3216-1-scaled.jpg * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/IMG_3213-1-scaled.jpg * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/IMG_3212-1-scaled.jpg Sadly, this now make it impossible to provide analog or digital dial tone from the Building 9059 PBX in support of buildings 9001 and 9032 A-D without a huge expenditure to replace / splice the cables. A police report was filed, Wall sent over their detectives to take pictures and document the theft. If you have question, email please to keep the list clutter down... Martin Flynn

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OT: Move over Netflix, The Army Signal Corps was Here First
by Jeffrey Brace 21 Jan '23

21 Jan '23

Two Rivers Times a local newspaper talks about filmmaking by the army at Fort Monmouth over the years: http://tworivertimes.com/move-over-netflix-the-army-signal-corps-was-here-f… ========================================= Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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VOX looking for a Lisa to demo
by Jason Perkins 21 Jan '23

21 Jan '23

VOX media contacted VCF looking for someone who could bring a Lisa to their NYC studio for some demos. If they can't find someone nearby NYC, their producer, who is in Seattle, thinks we can work something out and do the demo in WA. I'm trying to talk them into this route :) I did say I'd ask if anyone was closer to their preferred location in NYC. They're looking to shoot between 1/24 and 2/3. Thanks, -- Jason Perkins

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] MICROTREK Aug 1976
by ☼ wil lindsay ☼ 21 Jan '23

21 Jan '23

Hi David, I follow eBay pretty heavily. Other computer magazines from that early era get listed in the $50-$80 but never sell. The ones that do sell are usually below $10 or a bundle of multiple issues for a higher amount. You may have better luck on the local market for that, as there are ads for PC76 in Atlantic city,making it a bit of a regional curiosity. If money is an issue, I'dhappily pay you $15 for the right to scan it, submit the files to Archive.org and then donate the paper copy to VCF. Let me know if that helps or if you have a larger stack that could be archived, and we can work something out offline. -Wil Lindsay. On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 1:03 AM David Keith via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > I have been inactive for a while. I was basically forced to retire about a > year ago, and now I am looking to sell off some of my collection vintage > computer items. I have pristine copy of Microtrek August 1976 magazine, I > would like to sell on eBay. Wondering what I should list it as a starting > price. Any ideas ?? > ThanksDavid duBose >

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MICROTREK Aug 1976
by David Keith 21 Jan '23

21 Jan '23

I have been inactive for a while. I was basically forced to retire about a year ago, and now I am looking to sell off some of my collection vintage computer items. I have pristine copy of Microtrek August 1976 magazine, I would like to sell on eBay. Wondering what I should list it as a starting price. Any ideas ?? ThanksDavid duBose

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No more Amazon Smile
by Christian Liendo 20 Jan '23

20 Jan '23

https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/amazon-closing-amazonsmile-to…

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social.vcfed.org (VCF Mastodon instance) is down
by Dan FitzGerald 19 Jan '23

19 Jan '23

I'm not sure where else to take this to, so I am sending it to the list. Our Mastodon instance at social.vcfed.org has been unreachable for the last several hours. Does anybody know what is going on, or when it is going to be back online? Regards, Dan FitzGerald They/Them/Theirs http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/dfitzger

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Repair Workshop 2023-01-14 & 15
by Jeffrey Brace 18 Jan '23

18 Jan '23

Seems like everyone had fun this past weekend with the repair workshop. The usual suspects were there. Lots of interesting stuff getting fixed. David Gesswein repaired the VCF Museum's Xerox as well as the Sol-20. Thanks so much Dave! One lady came who needed picture files recovered from her early 2000's Macintosh. Dan helped her to recover and transfer most of them. Bill Dromgoole worked on the Univac a bit. Thomas worked on the Iris Personal as well as The Philips CD-ROM. Supposedly this is the first CD-ROM drive ever made. Very cool. For dinner Saturday night we split into two groups half went to Brick House Tap & Tavern, the other half went to MJs. Both were good. Sunday night we tried a new place Patrick's Grill and the 8 of us really liked it. So I will make reservations next month for this place. Anyone else want to chime in on what they worked on? ========================================= Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Left Hakko FR-301 Desoldering Gun at Workshop?
by Alexander Jacocks 18 Jan '23

18 Jan '23

All, Did anyone see a Hakko desoldering gun, in its case, at the last workshop, in the CDL? I am not sure what I did, but I can’t find it in my car. Thanks! - Alex

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AT&T 715-BCS TERMINAL
by Martin Flynn 17 Jan '23

17 Jan '23

Looking for anAT&T 715-BCS terminal to pair with a Definity PBX. There's a couple on eBAY, would prefer to buy known-good from a VCF member

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VCFE phones
by Mike Loewen 17 Jan '23

17 Jan '23

Is anyone planning to set up a PBX at VCFE in April? I'll be running a BBS on one of my big Tandy systems. Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

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I need to make some space...
by William Sudbrink 17 Jan '23

17 Jan '23

I'm not getting rid of my whole collection or anything, but things are getting a little tight in terms of physical space and I have stuff that simply doesn’t keep my interest. I’d rather not do ebay so I’ll offer them here first. I will put up pictures if there is interest. None of this is “barn stored”. It has all been in my temperature controlled house since last century. 1. HP series 100 (the 150 and 150 touchscreen II) documentation. This could be described as the “grey wall” for the HP 150. All the basic books plus Wordstar, Spellstar, Multiplan, etc.etc. At least 20 “boxed books”. Many (I think all but have not checked yet) have original diskettes. HP-150 with built in printer, floppy and hard disks to come when I get back to it. 2. IBM PC original “boxed book” “DOS” part number 6024001 on spine. I would call the condition excellent. Two original 5.25 diskettes: DIAGNOSTICS Version 1.02 6081552. DOS Version 1.00 6172212 (I’m tempted to keep this because of the CP/M –vs- DOS controversy) 3. IBM PC original “boxed book” “DOS” part number 6024001 on spine with round sticker “1.10 with Graphics”. I would call the condition very good. One original 5.25 diskette: DOS Version 1.10 1502330 4. IBM PC original “boxed books” "UCSD p-System": Beginner’s guide, Assembler reference, Internal Architecture Guide, User’s guide. The “User’s guide” box contains five original 5.25 diskettes: STARTUP, SYSTEM 2, SYSTEM 4, EXTRAS and UTILITIES. 5. IBM PC original “boxed book” IBM FORTRAN-77 Reference for the UCSD p-System. Contains one original 5.25 diskette: UCSD p-System FORTRAN Version IV.0 6936510 6. IBM PC original “boxed book” IBM COBOL Compiler by Microsoft. Contains two original 5.25 diskettes: LIBRARY 6936566, COBOL 6172250 7. Various other original IBM PC “boxed books”. Document Retrieval Assistant, 3101 Emulation, Dow Jones Reporter, SNA 3270, etc. etc. Maybe a dozen. 8. The box and binder for “Guide to operations, Personal Computer XT”. Unfortunately, it does not contain this. Instead it contains “The CP/M and IBM Public Domain Library” by Dynacomp. This all seems to be later CP/M, running on the IBM PC or Kaypro. Just documentation and listings, no media. 9. IBM Graphics Development Toolkit “boxed book”. Three original 5.25 diskettes: VDI device drivers, Language Libraries, Supplemental Programs. 10. BASIC – Personal Computer – PCjr “boxed book”. Contains original ROM Cartridge “Cartridge BASIC” 1302285. (Maybe this should go with the PCjr I will be offering when I dig it out) 11. ERGO MOBY BRICK 486DX-33 computer. Missing original power supply. I cobbled together a supply last century some time and it worked then. Has not been powered on in at least 25 years. 12. Osbone Executive. Limited Edition, personalized plaque to “ANNETTE KING”. It ran last century. Has not been powered on in at least 25 years. More to come. Bill S. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

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Repair Workshop 2023-01-14 & 15
by Herbert Johnson 17 Jan '23

17 Jan '23

> Anyone else want to chime in on what they worked on? Saturday, I assisted Dave Gesswein, in successful recovery of my Intel Multibus System 320 hard drive's contents. Those contents were a Xenix installation for that Intel 80826 based system. Those interested can contact me for details. The recovered drive image will be processed by a group of Multibus supporters. My thanks to David for his MFM recovery and replacement services, they are an outstanding contribution to vintage computing restoration. I chatted with a few of the other workshop participants, and obtained parts from a few of them as prearranged. Dan had some questions about restoring Macintosh floppy drives, and so I spent some time with Dan on those matters. David and I muscled the Xerox Star from the Warehouse to the CDL lab for his repairs. We looked briefly at Neil Cherry's OS-9 68K system, but David waited for Sunday when Neil would be available. Neil reported he wasn't able to get to his system then. Well, I'll encourage him to work on it in the future. It's a nice system. Regards, Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net

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1/15 repair session, the OS-9 68K for Dave
by Neil Cherry 16 Jan '23

16 Jan '23

Ooops, forgot about this. Good news the system is in the lab. Bad news is it wasn't one of my main distractions. It wasn't totally ignored. I need to pull the disk drive to see if it's operational. I'll see what I can start tonight. Good news is that Dave was able to read some of the Gimix ST255 drive (similar format to the 68K OS-9 format). And the 68K has the same kind of drive. For those interested in the Gimix, I asked about Gimix OS9 boot disks and David Weins asked me about what disk controller it has. The OS-9 os is a lot like CP/M. You have to gen the disks and have all the correct device driver for it to work. Dave Gesswein checked the disk image he has from the Gimix and it's OS-9 Level II. So the Gimix can access up to 2M of RAM, I think. OS-9 for the 68K is more like Level II and there was no OS-9 Level I for the 68K. The rest of the folks are probably getting glassy eyed over this but for the 6809 the levels are how it handles memory and processes. It's a bit like UniFlex for the 6809, another scared Unix like OS for the 8 bit processor. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry kd2zrq(a)linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies KD2ZRQ

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Settings for Jan (1/15 repair session)
by Neil Cherry 16 Jan '23

16 Jan '23

First, I had a great time with all the VCF folks on Sunday at CDL. I met new people and had fun getting distracted with this and that related to vintage computers. :-) I was working with Jan on her IBM PC/AT and getting the setting for the cards. Well my memory isn't so good but I did find a useful site that will help. http://dosdays.co.uk/topics/io_addresses_irq_dma.php If the network card can be set for IRQ 9 that's a good spot. PC/XTs could use IRQ 2 but that's handling the IRQs 8-15 and IRQ 9 is it's replacement on the AT. IRQ 3 is com port 2 and IRQ 4 is com 1. I got them backwards. The above web site has good references for the IO ports. This get muddled depending on the settings of the other cards. I seem to recall that many PC, XTs and ATs didn't have an LPT2 and I don't recall seeing a sound card in your machine. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry kd2zrq(a)linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies KD2ZRQ

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Breakfast tomorrow at Blue Swan at 9AM
by Jeffrey Brace 14 Jan '23

14 Jan '23

If you’re in, let me know. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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