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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Early delivery from Santa's sleigh
by Bill Degnan 23 Dec '25

23 Dec '25

Thanks. I added a link to the ENAIC drawings here: https://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=147 This is my list of vintage computing-related links. On Sun, Dec 21, 2025 at 8:15 PM Brian L. Stuart via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > So Santa had his sleigh out for some test drives tonight. For > ballast (the real gifts won't be loaded until Wed night), he used > a big stack of engineering drawings from the 1940s. Fortunately > for us, his "spirited" driving included one turn that was too > tight and out flew the drawings, where they landed on my lap. For > anyone who's as eager as I am to geek out over 1940s computer > design, I share them with you here: > > http://cs.drexel.edu/~bls96/eniac/drawings/ > > There are over 900 drawings in the set. Most of these images come > from scans of microfilm taken of the patent trial exhibits. There > are also about 100 copies that the Smithsonian had imaged and put > up on their web site. I've processed them all to approximate > something like we remember from our technical drawing classes in > college (well those of us old enough to have taken them). The > quality varies widely, but a large subset are readable down to > the measurements for the panels and the component values in the > circuits. > > If you've read Kathy Kleiman's excellent book (Proving Ground) > about the original ENIAC programmers, you may have found yourself > wondering what the block diagrams from which they figured out how > to program the machine looked like. Well, those are among the > drawings here. So feel free to try your hand at figuing out how > to program it from them. > > One subset of the drawings is conspicuous by its absence, the > PX-15 series. From what I can tell, those were drawings of a > delay line memory unit that was never built. Those drawings were > not part of the trial exhibits and were not microfilmed. However, > some physical copies do exist, and I am hoping to get back into > the archives to scan them at some point in the future. > > Beyond that, there are a number of drawing numbers that are > skipped, and I suspect that these are drawings that do (or did) > exist, but were not microfilmed for whatever reason. So if anyone > has or comes across any drawings that are not on this list, or > better copies of those that are, feel free to send scans my way. > > For anyone wanting to grab copies of the full set, it should be > pretty easy to extract a file name list from the index.html file. > I'll leave the sed command for extracting the list as an exercise > for the reader. > > For printing, all of them are sized in the PDF files for 8.5x11 > or 11x17 paper. Be warned, printing all of them without duplexing > and folding the 11x17s to fit into a normal binder, ends up > filling 2 4-inch binders. > > By the way, if anyone has access to the adapter shown in drawing > PX-4-119, I think there's an error in the drawing and I'd like to > check to see if either there really is or if I'm missing > something. > > Thanks and have fun, > BLS >

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Call for speakers - VCF East 2026
by Jeffrey Brace 22 Dec '25

22 Dec '25

Register to give a talk here: https://forms.gle/6BW1tayfcD5Wqfx96 Jeff Brace VCF East Showrunner

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OT: Return to the Moon: Artemis Update by Frank O'Brien
by Jeffrey Brace 22 Dec '25

22 Dec '25

I interviewed Frank O'Brien back in October about the Artemis mission to the moon: https://youtu.be/2NSAfLyIjVU Enjoy! Jeff Brace

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VCF East 2026 Hotel Block(s)
by Jeffrey Brace 22 Dec '25

22 Dec '25

The first block is ready for Residence Inn: https://vcfed.org/vcf-east-hotel-blocks/ The second block is pending. We are finding a third one as well. Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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MARCH Workshop Dates for 2026
by Jeff Salzman 22 Dec '25

22 Dec '25

The MARCH Workshop event dates are listed below. You can get more details about the rules, location, and other pertinent information at the following link: https://vcfed.org/repair-workshops-at-infoage/ Jan 10 – 11, 2026 Feb 7 – 8 , 2026 Mar 21 – 22 , 2026 No Workshop in April due to VCF-East May 2 – 3 , 2026 June 13 – 14, 2026 (may coincide with the VCF Swapmeet) July 11 – 12 , 2026 Aug 8 – 9 , 2026 Sept 19 – 20 , 2026 Oct 17 – 18, 2026 (may coincide with the VCF Swapmeet) Nov 14 - 15 , 2026 No Workshop in December due to VCF Festivus Thanks, Jeff Salzman MARCH Workshop Manager VCF Steering Committee

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OT: Anyone working/playing with AI professionally?
by Neil Cherry 22 Dec '25

22 Dec '25

I've also posted this to the CDL mail list. Prereq: I'm not so much interested in failures, I've seen a lot. I'm interested in successes. I've been playing with AI to help me program (I haven't quite gotten to using things like LM Notebook). I've used it to quickly write data parsing scripts for testing (I do QA on software defined networks). For the quick and dirty script it usually gets me about 95% there, quickly. I've attempted to use AI to fix & improve a data tool (in browser JS). That went really badly as it would loose huge chunks of code and. When I needed to write a complex test suite (Robot Framework/Python) things got even worse as corporate security issues got in the way and the AI didn't seem to understand what was needed to fix them. This was just before my end of year vacation so I haven't been able to find the correct corp. chat to get help and none of my coworkers seem to understand (weird). Now, on to my hobby use. This gets even worse. I normally give the AI a set of requirements, something normal to anyone who does software engineering professional. I even cover the 'Business As Usual' parts that every SE fails to provide. So for my home project of C code to read, write, create, and modify Flex OS Gotek images under Linux, I gave it a nice set of requirements as assumed that the AI would not find the information on the internet. That went very badly as it had a lot of trouble with off by one errors. I've tried Python, C and 68000 asm and all come up quite short when I start testing. Has anyone created real applications with AI? I see tons of Youtube videos that claim they have. So either I'm the problem or the AI is not up to the marketing hype. And for anyone interested, I can share the requirements of my home project. I can't share my work related projects. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies KD2ZRQ

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VCF Museum and InfoAge Closed Dec. 24, 31
by Jeffrey Brace 22 Dec '25

22 Dec '25

The VCF Museum and InfoAge Museums will be closed Wednesday Dec. 24 and Dec. 31. Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Early delivery from Santa's sleigh
by Brian L. Stuart 21 Dec '25

21 Dec '25

So Santa had his sleigh out for some test drives tonight. For ballast (the real gifts won't be loaded until Wed night), he used a big stack of engineering drawings from the 1940s. Fortunately for us, his "spirited" driving included one turn that was too tight and out flew the drawings, where they landed on my lap. For anyone who's as eager as I am to geek out over 1940s computer design, I share them with you here: http://cs.drexel.edu/~bls96/eniac/drawings/ There are over 900 drawings in the set. Most of these images come from scans of microfilm taken of the patent trial exhibits. There are also about 100 copies that the Smithsonian had imaged and put up on their web site. I've processed them all to approximate something like we remember from our technical drawing classes in college (well those of us old enough to have taken them). The quality varies widely, but a large subset are readable down to the measurements for the panels and the component values in the circuits. If you've read Kathy Kleiman's excellent book (Proving Ground) about the original ENIAC programmers, you may have found yourself wondering what the block diagrams from which they figured out how to program the machine looked like. Well, those are among the drawings here. So feel free to try your hand at figuing out how to program it from them. One subset of the drawings is conspicuous by its absence, the PX-15 series. From what I can tell, those were drawings of a delay line memory unit that was never built. Those drawings were not part of the trial exhibits and were not microfilmed. However, some physical copies do exist, and I am hoping to get back into the archives to scan them at some point in the future. Beyond that, there are a number of drawing numbers that are skipped, and I suspect that these are drawings that do (or did) exist, but were not microfilmed for whatever reason. So if anyone has or comes across any drawings that are not on this list, or better copies of those that are, feel free to send scans my way. For anyone wanting to grab copies of the full set, it should be pretty easy to extract a file name list from the index.html file. I'll leave the sed command for extracting the list as an exercise for the reader. For printing, all of them are sized in the PDF files for 8.5x11 or 11x17 paper. Be warned, printing all of them without duplexing and folding the 11x17s to fit into a normal binder, ends up filling 2 4-inch binders. By the way, if anyone has access to the adapter shown in drawing PX-4-119, I think there's an error in the drawing and I'd like to check to see if either there really is or if I'm missing something. Thanks and have fun, BLS

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VCF 2.0 from 1998
by Jeffrey Brace 20 Dec '25

20 Dec '25

Someone posted a video from VCF 2.0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhwSmAYnDTU Enjoy! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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How the RESISTORS Put Computing into 1960s Counter-culture
by Christian Liendo 19 Dec '25

19 Dec '25

I'm happy that Claude is still remembered. How the RESISTORS Put Computing into 1960s Counter-culture Teenage nerds in New Jersey were hacking before the PC and the Internet https://spectrum.ieee.org/teenage-hackers

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VCF MidAtlantic Steering Committee - Voting Results
by Jeff Salzman 17 Dec '25

17 Dec '25

The results of the VCF MidAtlantic Steering Committee were presented at the VCF Festivus event on Dec 13, 2025. The elected members are: Thomas Gilinsky August Culbert The voting breakdown was: Joe Giliberti: 19 votes August Culbert: 31 votes Thomas Gilinsky: 30 votes Please note that eight votes were invalid because they were rendered using email addresses that were NOT registered to this mailing list. It had been stated in the rules that only the mail addresses registered to this email list were eligible to vote. Please check your mailing list registration to find out what email address you used to sign up. vcf-midatlantic Info Page <https://lists.vcfed.org/mailman/listinfo/vcf-midatlantic> The invalid votes in this case DID NOT affect the results of the vote. Sincerely, Jeff Salzman VCF MidAtlantic Steering Committee

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VCF 2026 t-shirts Which two t-shirts colors do you like?
by Jeffrey Brace 17 Dec '25

17 Dec '25

Pick two: https://catalog.companycasuals.com/p/3480_HtSapphire Jeff Brace VCF East Showrunner

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VOLUNTEERS NEEDED FOR VCF MONTREAL JAN 24-25, 2026
by Jeffrey Brace 17 Dec '25

17 Dec '25

The Vintage Computer Federation is having its first show in Canada! I'm co-showrunner and am supporting the new showrunner Nicolas Mailloux. *DATE*: Jan 24-25 *LOCATION*: Royal Military College of Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu 15 Rue Jacques-Cartier N, Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, QC J3B 8R8 Look here for Volunteer information: https://vcfed.org/vcf-montreal/vcf-montreal-volunteers-faq-aide-et-benevola… Look here to register as a volunteer: https://forms.gle/ZshZerNbSD5og9cw6 General info: https://vcfed.org/vcf-montreal/ Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East 2026 Exhibit Registration
by Bill Degnan 17 Dec '25

17 Dec '25

Is “TRS-80” a typo? PET to Amiga would make more sense in the context of the other machines in the paragraph. “… >From the *Altair 8800*, *Apple I*, and *Commodore PET* to the *TRS-80*, *IBM PC*, and *Macintosh*, this theme gives us room to showcase the innovation and competition that defined the era …..” On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 7:52 AM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Just curious, what is the “theme “for VCF East 2026? > > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > > > On Dec 17, 2025, at 12:02 AM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > Fill out this form to register an exhibit at VCF East: > > https://forms.gle/cghQMPuh366pkdfD8 > > > > Take care! > > > > Jeff Brace > > VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President > > VCF East Showrunner > > VCF Fundraising Manager > > VCF Evangelist > > Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity > > https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> > >

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OT: InfoAge Holiday Train Show 2025
by Jeffrey Brace 17 Dec '25

17 Dec '25

Don't miss the annual InfoAge Holiday Model Train Show 2025! Last two days are this coming weekend Dec. 20 & 21. Here is a video preview: https://www.infoage.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Holiday_Train_Show_2025_… Enjoy! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Apology
by Joseph Giliberti 17 Dec '25

17 Dec '25

Everyone, I just wanted to say I am sorry for my comments and how I acted on Sunday. I was running on little sleep after being at IA setting up for Festivus from 0400 on Saturday. I was under the impression that Sunday would be an easy going continuation of the and was kinda blindsided to find out that everyone had gone home and we had to clean up everything ourselves. It won't happen again. Regards, Joe Giliberti

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East 2026 Exhibit Registration
by David Gesswein 17 Dec '25

17 Dec '25

https://vcfed.org/2025/05/09/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 07:12:18AM -0500, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2025 07:12:18 -0500 > From: Sentrytv <sentrytv(a)yahoo.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Cc: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org>, Jeffrey Brace > <jeffrey(a)vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East 2026 Exhibit Registration > X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (22H124) > > Just curious, what is the “theme “for VCF East 2026? > > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > > > On Dec 17, 2025, at 12:02 AM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > Fill out this form to register an exhibit at VCF East: > > https://forms.gle/cghQMPuh366pkdfD8 > > > > Take care! > > > > Jeff Brace > > VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President > > VCF East Showrunner > > VCF Fundraising Manager > > VCF Evangelist > > Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity > > https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East 2026 Exhibit Registration
by Benjamin Krein 17 Dec '25

17 Dec '25

It's on the registration page & the https://vcfed.org events page: *THEME:* The theme for VCF East 2026 is: *Dawn of the PC* Go here for an explanation of the theme: https://vcfed.org/2025/05/09/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 7:51 AM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Just curious, what is the “theme “for VCF East 2026? > > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > > > On Dec 17, 2025, at 12:02 AM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > Fill out this form to register an exhibit at VCF East: > > https://forms.gle/cghQMPuh366pkdfD8 > > > > Take care! > > > > Jeff Brace > > VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President > > VCF East Showrunner > > VCF Fundraising Manager > > VCF Evangelist > > Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity > > https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> > > -- - Benjamin Krein

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VCF East 2026 Exhibit Registration
by Jeffrey Brace 17 Dec '25

17 Dec '25

Fill out this form to register an exhibit at VCF East: https://forms.gle/cghQMPuh366pkdfD8 Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Vendor Registration VCF East 2026
by Jeffrey Brace 17 Dec '25

17 Dec '25

https://forms.gle/yZzi1FyVJV58ci7h6 Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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VCF Montréal 2026 Tickets on sale
by Jeffrey Brace 16 Dec '25

16 Dec '25

VCF Montreal tickets on sale now! https://events.humanitix.com/vcfmontreal2026?c=marchlist More info: https://vcfed.org/vcf-montreal/ Jeff Brace

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BBS the documentary is free to download
by Jeffrey Jonas 16 Dec '25

16 Dec '25

BBS the documentary is free to download! The Wikipedia overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBS:_The_Documentary the web page: http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/ http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/order/ the 3 image files: https://archive.org/download/BBS_Documentary_DVD_Set/BBS%20Documentary%20Di… https://archive.org/download/BBS_Documentary_DVD_Set/BBS%20Documentary%20Di… https://archive.org/download/BBS_Documentary_DVD_Set/BBS%20Documentary%20Di…

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OT: Anyone working/playing with AI professionally?
by Herbert Johnson 16 Dec '25

16 Dec '25

> Code and enjoy the actual results of what you want and need, not the arcane creation of it. If you say "i enjoy the creation of it" then stop reading here and go fuzt around and enjoy your own thing. I want the results of the programming, i.e. the program! - Andrew Diller No criticism, but my understanding of what you are saying, is that these AI tools are turning "craft" into "production". That's not a bad thing for those consuming the production, or profiting from it. Not so good a thing for the crafters, except for those who go into production, or those who do very-custom work. If I'm correct, the more fitting analogy would not be "printing press" - that automated printing, scaled up production of texts. AI coding is about automating content (re)creation. Consider textiles. Automated cloth production changed clothing into a commodity and also made patterns easy to produce and change; and yet crafted clothing is still valued. So in a way, cheaper/better cloth supported more tailoring and design jobs, sales support, etc. So we'll see how far up the food-chain that AI coding will eat jobs, careers. Will the AI's "pull up the ladder" of learning to code, by eliminating what amounted to on-the-job training? An ironic comparison might be with shoemaking, as in the history of "saboteurs". People already mess with AI training to confuse and misdirect the models. But sometimes the models misdirect us, "we become the product" as suggested before. Just to add some vintage computing relevance. Consider how vintage computing advanced as various parts of computer production were automated, or made standard/regularized. Standard logic chips (RTL, DTL, TTL, CMOS), common microprocessor brands/models. Certainly building blocks like memory chips and modules. "the IBM PC" became a templates computer design down to bus and modules in the X86 architecture. S-100 worked across platforms. all these, made it easier to design products, and brought prices down to increase the customer base. Applications followed. Arduino (the IDE, the library, the flavor of C used) allowed fairly ordinary techies to build embedded applications just for fun, on ever-cheaper little ARM boards (discarded cell-phone system-on-chips). Further back: regularized high-level languages versus assembly language. Those were technical achievements in their time, to have computers run programs that could process "conversational" logic statements and produce machine codes based on standardized and tested libraries of functions, interfaces, calls to operating systems. another vintage thought. some of this AI stuff will (maybe has) become "vintage" computing, things people remember using, designing, producing, selling. Might be fun to come up with example vintage AI technologies, as things and codes to save, restore, display. I'll stop with that suggestion, that seems the most productive idea I've mentioned. Regards Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA https://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net

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VCF East Vendor Registration Starts Wed. Dec. 17
by Jeffrey Brace 14 Dec '25

14 Dec '25

Look here for the link on Wednesday! Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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VCF East Exhibit Registration starts Wed. Dec. 17
by Jeffrey Brace 14 Dec '25

14 Dec '25

Sorry for the delay. I wanted to make sure all the changes were correct and accurate. Look for it here and around the interwebs! Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Breaking down Festivus, any helpers?
by Ian Litchfield 14 Dec '25

14 Dec '25

Joe, I get your frustration on this, but blasting the mailing list to call people out the day after the party is not the way to go about. I’ll be honest I had zero intentions of showing up the next day, I was not a volunteer. I did not reach out to do such. I only came to attend in the allotted time on saturday, and have fun and I did. I want to thank you for those who worked to plan this event, setup, and break down. But I agree that others were not properly informed that breakdown would happen at 9am. Many of us are over an hour away, and not everyone has a vehicle that up to the task of driving through snow and slush. You can’t fault anyone for “the roads” not being ‘bad’ because I assure you I have a picture that cannot be sent on this mailing list due to technical restrictions, that not every town was plowed by 10am. We ended up getting snowed in this morning. I’m going to be really honest the whole issue of a lack of communication and the constant finger pointing and blaming is one of the reasons why I rarely show up anymore… I hope everyone who came had a festivus! -Ian L.

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Breaking down Festivus, any helpers?
by Joseph Giliberti 14 Dec '25

14 Dec '25

I know it was discussed at the town hall that people need to step up more often to help out. Why is it that Jeff and I are the only ones cleaning up today? The roads aren't that bad. No one should have needed advance notice that we would need to clean up after the party. Come on, people!

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Missing TV
by Joseph Giliberti 14 Dec '25

14 Dec '25

There was an Apex brand 20 inch TV that I had set up for Festivus games that has disappeared. Not to sound disrespectful, but WTF???

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Festivus entry Sat. Dec. 13 starting at 10AM
by Jeffrey Brace 14 Dec '25

14 Dec '25

The door will be closed, but you can pull it open to get in. NO CODE NEEDED. Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Breaking down Festivus, any helpers?
by Connor Krukosky 14 Dec '25

14 Dec '25

Joe, What was discussed was the lack of communication from event runners letting people know ahead of time what responsibilities need to be covered by helpers and volunteers. Many people involved in this org for 10+ years have stepped up, worked hard, and done a lot. We would show up, someone would say “hey can anyone help with setting up tables” and we would. But over the last few years we’ve showed up. Seen people working, ask if we can help, and get confused “I don’t know, you’d have to ask someone in charge.” Etc. The roads aren’t too bad, I agree, but some people have multiple hour drives to airports to catch a plane home. Some people have multiple hour drives home, etc. We used to stay on site and plan to stay longer. But most of us can’t justify $400~ for multiple nights of hotels to show up a night early and stay an extra night after. Also announcements about asking for help the day of or day before or day after while people are driving is not enough heads up. You need to be discussing this when the event is announced. I am looking back now, the original announcement in May for Festivus was just saying it’s December 13th. I had it on my calendar, I had plans to be here one day. Then a few weeks before I see the second announcement in November also saying Saturday only, no overnight stays, only event is 6pm town hall. Then a million links, which now looking closer I do see the volunteer sign up sheet near the bottom which is the only thing mentioning Friday and Sunday. And I see zero people put their name on there, meaning I was probably not the only person who didn’t see it. Either way please speak to the volunteers who owe this org nothing, which includes yourself, with more respect. You and everyone who helps no matter how little they do deserves recognition and respect. -Connor K > On Dec 14, 2025, at 11:01 AM, Joseph Giliberti via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > I know it was discussed at the town hall that people need to step up more > often to help out. Why is it that Jeff and I are the only ones cleaning up > today? The roads aren't that bad. No one should have needed advance notice > that we would need to clean up after the party. Come on, people!

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Festivus Breakfast at Diner
by Jeffrey Brace 14 Dec '25

14 Dec '25

Tomorrow Sat at 9AM at Blue Swan. See you there! Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Festivus entry Sat. Dec. 13 starting at 10AM
by Dean Notarnicola 13 Dec '25

13 Dec '25

Right now there’s plenty of room On Sat, Dec 13, 2025 at 11:13 Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Are there currently any tables set up to sell or should I bring my own? > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > > > On Dec 13, 2025, at 6:00 AM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > The door will be closed, but you can pull it open to get in. NO CODE > NEEDED. > > > > Take care! > > > > Jeff Brace > > VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President > > VCF East Showrunner > > VCF Fundraising Manager > > VCF Evangelist > > Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity > > https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> > > > > > > > > > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > > Virus-free.www.avast.com > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > >

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Slightly OT (Host site project)
by Martin A. Flynn 12 Dec '25

12 Dec '25

Anyone coming to festivus have a PC running Java Runtime Environment v1.4.2 or Later ? Have an TemPageR that needs an older Java version to set the IP. https://avtech.com/PDFs/Products/TMP4E/Monitor_TemPageR_4E.pdf

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InfoAge Closed Sunday, December 14 (to the public)
by Jeffrey Brace 12 Dec '25

12 Dec '25

Due to the snowstorm, and public safety. InfoAge Management is closing the museums to the public on Sunday, December 14. Depending on how much snow, some of us will be going out to Blue Swan Diner at 9AM and then go play games at the Festivus space until 5PM. Snow is expected to start around 10PM on Saturday night and be about 1 to 2 inches with the current forecast. Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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FESTIVUS IS TOMORROW! DEC. 13
by Jeffrey Brace 12 Dec '25

12 Dec '25

HERE ARE ALL THE LISTS: Let me know that you've coming. <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_BrFsI3qOOp7DKnzgsAfwRZLyBS1vyMBPeH…> Food signup <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oUnnRegeokoKiIbjlnGILXqMCHqUucTupZe…> Video game signup <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qhil2OG2OqGYivauifvC3XYGksTTIntxNkM…> Swap meet selling <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EShjd039SHjLrdAOWtXl46uYdT6cwUCR7MG…> Swap Meet buyng <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i01RCfCtBC2VeusrqJ5w53N9sV12DAOQSOO…> Volunteer signup <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i5tGeWVV6kJ2KPzkdDoxk8ipPCbnGjcZWNk…> Docent signup <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DIwlHnFm4JDAQDy6D6-wwGCUNDia5E-k-cC…> Swag Request <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1maKAokaS-mXskumSTgVGt5mZ10HgvyTb-q0…> *What is Festivus?* It is a VCF party that happens on a Saturday in December for VCF members. We have had this party for the past 20 years. Food, drinks, socializing, playing video games, mini-swap meet. *Date is Saturday, December 13, 2025 * Start time is 10AM, end time 11:59PM. Everyone needs to leave the campus at the end. There is no overnight stay anywhere on campus. There is no schedule other than the Steering Committee Town Hall at 6PM. People show up when they want, and leave when they want. It isn’t free. Everyone pays to participate. *HERE IS THE INFO:* *DATE AND TIME: * Saturday, December 13 from 10AM until 11:59PM *LOCATION:* At InfoAge: 2201 Marconi Rd, Wall Township, NJ 07719 *BUILDING:* *9010-D*, A.K.A. *The Visitors Center*, A.K.A. *The Sandy Dorms*, A.K.A. *The bunkrooms* *RSVP: LET ME KNOW YOU'RE COMING BY PUTTING YOUR NAME ON THIS LIST <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_BrFsI3qOOp7DKnzgsAfwRZLyBS1vyMBPeH…> or email me and I will put your name on the list.* *WEATHER:* I have ordered decent weather with temperatures between 35 and 50 degrees. No snow or rain. *COST: * $25 per person. No Exceptions. Whether you bring food or not. Eat food or not. We still have to pay for use of the space. It is a bargain with plenty of food, drinks, socializing, swap meet, video games, etc. *PAYMENTS*: *IN-PERSON*: Cash, credit card, Apple Pay, etc. through Square. *PAYPAL*: @vintagecomputerfed or paypal(a)vcfed.org Please put a note: Festivus, x people. *VENMO*: @vintagecomputerfederation *THERE IS NO OVERNIGHT STAY AVAILABLE! * Sorry, Wall Township no longer allows anyone to stay overnight in The Visitor's Center please use our discount hotel option or any other hotels in the area. Look here for guidance: https://vcfed.org/vcf-east-accommodations-recomendations/ *EVERYONE MUST LEAVE THE CAMPUS AT MIDNIGHT!* *FOOD SIGNUP LIST <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oUnnRegeokoKiIbjlnGILXqMCHqUucTupZe…>* *Potluck: Sign up to bring your own items*. If you need suggestions, then look at the suggestions column, see what others are bringing or ask me. VCF will buy burgers, hot dogs, some drinks and condiments for dinner. *The Firehouse Museum volunteers will be cooking dinner for us this year!* VCF will also buy pizza from Vic's, subs (Mike's Subs), Garlic Bread (Vic's) for lunch and starter food earlier in the day. *VIDEO GAME SIGN UP <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qhil2OG2OqGYivauifvC3XYGksTTIntxNkM…> * Video games will be in the Women's Bunk room this year, which will give us a lot more space. Let me know what games you are bringing and how many tables you need. *SWAP MEET SELLING LIST <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EShjd039SHjLrdAOWtXl46uYdT6cwUCR7MG…> (List what you are selling)* Swap Meet in the women's bunk room. Buy and sell what you want. *SWAP MEET WANT TO BUY LIST* <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i01RCfCtBC2VeusrqJ5w53N9sV12DAOQSOO…> (List what you are looking for) *VOLUNTEERS NEEDED SIGN UP LIST: <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i5tGeWVV6kJ2KPzkdDoxk8ipPCbnGjcZWNk…>* I need volunteers to set up, run the event and break down. *DOCENT SIGNUP* <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DIwlHnFm4JDAQDy6D6-wwGCUNDia5E-k-cC…> The model train show will have lots of visitors. Please take an hour slot so everyone can enjoy the party. *SWAG REQUEST* <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1maKAokaS-mXskumSTgVGt5mZ10HgvyTb-q0…> Is there any VCF Swag that you want to buy? T-shirts, hoodies, stickers, buttons, hats, bags? *Let me know ahead of time and I will have it ready.* <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#m_3004418753697129626_m_-6157054216693878386_m_7018994115106357595_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Festivus volunteers Friday and Saturday
by Jeffrey Brace 12 Dec '25

12 Dec '25

I didn't get any volunteers signing up so Joe and I spent 2 1/2 hours on Wednesday and 2 and 1/2 hours on Thursday night setting up. We will finish setup on Friday. I'm not sure how much will be left to do. It might be minimal depending on how much we get done just the two of us. Volunteer signup <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i5tGeWVV6kJ2KPzkdDoxk8ipPCbnGjcZWNk…> Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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LAST DAY TO VOTE for VCF MidAtlantic Steering Committee Members
by Jeff Salzman 12 Dec '25

12 Dec '25

Dear Members, THIS IS IT... LAST DAY! Voting for the VCF MidAtlantic Steering Committee election closes at 11:59 PM on Friday, December 12. Two seats are open, and three candidates are running: - Thomas Gilinsky (incumbent) - Joe Giliberti - August Culbert You may vote for one or two candidates. We have position statements from all of the candidates posted. You can review all existing position statements here: Steering Committee Nominee Position Statements <https://vcfed.org/steering-committee-nominee-position-statements/> Cast your vote here: Steering Committee Voting Form <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf2G5vKwg1GyM9bnmvXQ0ZVB1g4t-PwAaw…> Thank you for taking part in shaping the future of our community! Jeff Salzman VCF MidAtlantic Steering Committee

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Festivus Food signup list
by Jeffrey Brace 12 Dec '25

12 Dec '25

Signup if you are bringing food <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oUnnRegeokoKiIbjlnGILXqMCHqUucTupZe…> Signup to let me know that you're coming. <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_BrFsI3qOOp7DKnzgsAfwRZLyBS1vyMBPeH…> Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Festivus Swag Request
by Jeffrey Brace 12 Dec '25

12 Dec '25

At Festivus Dec. 13, I will have for sale: 2025 T-shirts (Amiga bouncing ball) - all sizes 2022 T-shirts (C64) - Limited sizes 2023 T-shirt (Oregon Trail) - Limited sizes Does anyone need: hoodies? polos? hat? mousepads? totes? If I don't know, then I won't have them ready. Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Docent signup for Dec. 14
by Jeffrey Brace 12 Dec '25

12 Dec '25

We could use a few more people on Sunday, Dec. 14 in our museum as there will be a lot of people from the train show. Signup here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DIwlHnFm4JDAQDy6D6-wwGCUNDia5E-k-cC… Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Festivus Food Ordered!
by Jeffrey Brace 11 Dec '25

11 Dec '25

I ordered the Shoprite food for the BBQ Saturday which will start at 6PM. I also ordered the Jersey Mike's Subs for Saturday 12PM pickup. I will order some pizzas and garlic bread from Vic's around 2PM on Saturday

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Festivus Mini Swap Meet Sat. Dec. 13 at 10AM until 11:59PM
by Jeffrey Brace 11 Dec '25

11 Dec '25

Selling List <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EShjd039SHjLrdAOWtXl46uYdT6cwUCR7MG…> Buying List <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i01RCfCtBC2VeusrqJ5w53N9sV12DAOQSOO…> We are setting up in the middle of the women's bunk room. General Festivus Signup <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_BrFsI3qOOp7DKnzgsAfwRZLyBS1vyMBPeH…> Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Video game signup for Festivus
by Jeffrey Brace 11 Dec '25

11 Dec '25

Is anyone bringing video games? Please let me know here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qhil2OG2OqGYivauifvC3XYGksTTIntxNkM… Joe and I have many set up from VCF supplies, but we have plenty of room for more games! Also this is the general festivus signup: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_BrFsI3qOOp7DKnzgsAfwRZLyBS1vyMBPeH… Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Festivus is in two days - sign up!!!
by Jeffrey Brace 11 Dec '25

11 Dec '25

*RSVP: LET ME KNOW YOU'RE COMING BY PUTTING YOUR NAME ON THIS LIST <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_BrFsI3qOOp7DKnzgsAfwRZLyBS1vyMBPeH…> or email me and I will put your name on the list.* *DATE AND TIME: * Saturday, December 13 from 10AM until MIDNIGHT (EST). *LOCATION:* At InfoAge: 2201 Marconi Rd, Wall Township, NJ 07719 *BUILDING:* *9010-D*, A.K.A. *The Visitors Center*, A.K.A. *The Sandy Dorms*, A.K.A. *The bunkrooms* The door will be closed, but you can pull it open to get in. NO CODE NEEDED. Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF Fundraising Manager VCF Evangelist Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Steering Committee Position Statements
by Jeff Salzman 10 Dec '25

10 Dec '25

Dear Members, For those who were holding out on their vote until all three Steering Committee nominees posted their position statements, the wait is over. Two seats are open, and three candidates are running. All now have position statements posted: - Thomas Gilinsky (incumbent) - Joe Giliberti - August Culbert You may vote for one or two candidates. You can review all existing position statements here: Steering Committee Nominee Position Statements <https://vcfed.org/steering-committee-nominee-position-statements/> Cast your vote here: Steering Committee Voting Form <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf2G5vKwg1GyM9bnmvXQ0ZVB1g4t-PwAaw…> Thank you for taking part in shaping the future of our community! Jeff Salzman VCF MidAtlantic Steering Committee

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2 Days Left: VCF MidAtlantic Steering Committee Voting Reminder
by Jeff Salzman 10 Dec '25

10 Dec '25

Dear Members, Just another quick reminder: voting for the VCF MidAtlantic Steering Committee election closes at 11:59 PM on Friday, December 12. That's basically two days away at the time this message was sent. Two seats are open, and three candidates are running: - Thomas Gilinsky (incumbent) - Joe Giliberti - August Culbert You may vote for one or two candidates. We have two position statements from candidates posted so far. You can review all existing position statements here: Steering Committee Nominee Position Statements <https://vcfed.org/steering-committee-nominee-position-statements/> Cast your vote here: Steering Committee Voting Form <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf2G5vKwg1GyM9bnmvXQ0ZVB1g4t-PwAaw…> Thank you for taking part in shaping the future of our community! Jeff Salzman VCF MidAtlantic Steering Committee

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Apple Airport Extreme A1521
by Andrew Mattera 09 Dec '25

09 Dec '25

there was a fella that was talking to me at the October swap meet about how he could really use those Apple Airport Extreme towers to support his parents home network. I didn't catch his name or contact info, and I don't believe he took one of my business cards. So in hopes that you're on the mailing list, I've got three beautiful condition Airport Extremes that I'm hoping to offload. Contact me if you're still interested, andrew(a)gsappliedarts.com Thanks, Andrew Mattera

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Possible DEC half height rack
by Bill Degnan 09 Dec '25

09 Dec '25

This looks like a DEC half rack, or could be used as one, should anyone want to rack up some DEC components. You may have to have a Facebook acct to access here: https://www.facebook.com/share/1DU9AN3TFV/?mibextid=wwXIfr I am not affiliated etc don’t ask me about this seller or the item etc Bill

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Not O/T...
by Jeffrey Brace 08 Dec '25

08 Dec '25

$500 On Mon, Dec 8, 2025 at 6:57 PM Martin A Flynn via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > If you had the chance to buy the main number formerly assigned to Bell > Labs, what would you pay for it? > >

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Not O/T...
by Martin A Flynn 08 Dec '25

08 Dec '25

If you had the chance to buy the main number formerly assigned to Bell Labs, what would you pay for it?

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