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Let's Keep Personal Differences Off the List
by Alexander Jacocks 13 Nov '20

13 Nov '20

All, I'm not in any position of authority, but here is my $0.02 worth, on any situation ariging from internal conflict in a group. Please do NOT discuss this on the mailing list. Context is lost and feelings are very easily hurt, since emotions do not convey well in an online discussion. Also, this sort of discussion has no place on a list visited by many folks who know none of us personally. I strongly suggest that the parties involved discuss this directly, off-list. Thank you. Alex

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World of Commodore is going virtual!
by Jeffrey Brace 12 Nov '20

12 Nov '20

Reposting a message from Leif Bloomquist: ******************************* Hi all, We've decided to do a slimmed-down, Virtual-Only World of Commodore this year on December 5, 2020, through Zoom and YouTube. The page with the preliminary info is here: https://www.tpug.ca/world-of-commodore/world-of-commodore-2020/ Will be updated as we go along. Soon we'll be looking for volunteers to help out with various things (i.e. Breakout Room moderators, stuff like that). Please email me if you're willing/able to help! We also have a dedicated #woc channel on our Discord server: https://discord.gg/6UTY2aAE6p The Toronto PET User's Group is pleased to announce the World of Commodore 2020! This year it will be a Virtual event with livestreamed presentations and demos, breakout discussion rooms and more. ************************************************ -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Craigslist post
by Jeffrey Brace 12 Nov '20

12 Nov '20

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 6:02 PM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > If it’s not objectionable to anybody it was I. > Not objectionable and most welcome. It helps you by showing everyone what you are bringing and gives attention to our event. By the way I did a general post for the event, so hopefully it brings lots of buyers! > Mike Rosen > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > > > On Nov 3, 2020, at 5:40 PM, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > I don't know who did this but it's a good idea > > > > > https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/ele/d/belmar-vcf-swapmeet-am-stuff-have-… > > -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Can't make event
by Dean Notarnicola 12 Nov '20

12 Nov '20

Glad all is well! On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 8:58 AM Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > End of quarantine and no symptoms. Negative test. Good to go. Person > that I was exposed to is still sick. She's my assistant so I've had to take > care of both my job and hers. > > > > Seems like the swap meet was a success. Congratulations to all. > > > > Kelly > > Awesome news!! > > Tony

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Tony Bogan 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan(a)snarc.net> wrote: > > Last year I got Ken Thompson to come to VCF East and arranged for Brian to be there too. > > The video reached 100,000 views today: https://youtu.be/EY6q5dv_B-o ... no other VCF video is even close. That’s very cool! I had not looked recently to see how much it had jumped since VCF East Virtual happened (a number of older videos were boosted as a result of the event, which would make sense) One can only hope that as subsequent videos are online for as long that they can also see views rise and help increase VCFs visibility! This is certainly a huge boost in that department. It’s awesome when a series of events come together to make an even more awesome event! The original idea of Ken Thompson being suggested to you, the fact that Ken Thompson was in the state, that Brian was also available, that was a once in a lifetime congruence that everyone benefited from. Kudos for being in the right place at the right time and being able to bring it all together! With that many views of the existing video, one can only imagine how many views the video would have at this point had they been able to continue talking! Fortunately we’ve got the conversation they did have on video for posterity’s sake and can relish in this once in a lifetime keynote event. Very cool the video has hit the 100k view mark! Tony

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Moving forward
by Tony Bogan 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

Recent discussions have really been liberating, with details many people were unaware of finally being brought to light and pent up feelings and opinions finally being aired. It’s been long overdue. As such, I personally am really psyched moving forward. Speaking as someone who may not even be on the Steering Committee in another month, I couldn’t be more excited for the future of VCF. Some thoughts and extra details I’d like to share. Adam has said from the start of the SC that he wanted his seat to be one of the first up for election. Now that he’s moved to South Carolina, he isn’t running for election (he’s already explained his feelings previously) Knowing what some people were told about me from former management and what others thought (and one expressed recently in comments about the state of the vcf “business”) I insisted mine be the other of the first two. While I’ve enjoyed this first year of the SC, regardless of the outcome of the upcoming elections I’m both excited for the future and to see what the SC does next, with or without me on it, secure in the knowledge that I will continue to do everything I can to help VCF grow as I did before I was on the SC and while I’ve been on it. Doesn’t hurt I have the utmost respect for the other people nominated for the two seats and am often in awe of their knowledge and expertise every time I speak with them or see them at workshops. Win, lose or draw for me retaining my seat on the SC, the future looks awesome indeed. We’ve set up a dedicated fund for warehouse improvements, have a working yearly budget with the ability to request additional allocations from the Board for the museum, have cultivated a working relationship and repaired burned bridges with no less than three other vintage computer museums (two on the east coast and a new relationship with one overseas) started the process of getting estimates for repairing and redoing the warehouse, appointed a liaison to Infoage and the township of Wall, and a whole slew of other things that just weren’t possible or feasible in the past. One of the benefits of having a group of people working towards a common goal with the ability to make decisions and act upon them. We don’t always all agree of course, but with a system in place and a framework (now published for all to see) within which to work, it’s a pleasure to be a part of. The difficulties faced by Infoage, along with museums around the world, and the financial and political aspects were touched upon by Mike Brutman in another thread. Those things are always on our minds along with a dozen other things on any given day! We also have a great working relationship with the other groups at infoage, in particular CDL and The Military Technology Museum of NJ. We have a full time social media coordinator (our social media accounts have never been so alive!) But we need more. We need help at the museum and working in the warehouse. We need help getting the artifacts in the museum and warehouse up and running (never in the 6+ years I’ve been here have we ever had literally almost every machine in the museum running) and just did our first “VCF Artifact” workshop to help achieve that goal. We need ideas for new exhibits (we now change some things up regularly in the museum to give visitors a reason to come back again and again and not see the same exact things every time) We need ideas for improving our current events and adding new ones (like the first swap meet we just did. The first of many that is!) The up front, honest, no holds barred discussion of late was a true breath of fresh air. People don’t need to feel stifled or belittled for having an idea, even a hair brained one! It’s not about letting the inmates run the asylum, it’s about having somewhere to go and know you’ll be listened to And your thoughts, ideas, concerns, whatever won’t just be dismissed out of hand. Members now have five people they can reach out to, and know the person they reach out to will bring their comments to the SC for consideration. Sometimes the answer will still be “no,” but it will be a consensus decision that was given consideration and discussion by a group of people, not dismissed without a second thought. THAT’S what the Steering Committee is there for, and THAT is one of the reasons the Steering Committee was created (only one reason, but an important one!) Tony Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video - a new dawn
by Dean Notarnicola 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

You’re welcome here anytime. There’s always work to do, thanks! On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 2:43 PM laurakid via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > I would definitely like to help where I can. Just let me know. Always > been here. I live 15 min from Camp Evans. I do have more going on than I > did in 2018, but I have a very flexible schedule. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Wednesday, November 11, 2020, 12:11 PM, Andrew Diller via > vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > I am going to weigh in with my thoughts, addressing some of the issues and > conjecture presented the past day and ignoring others. > > > tldr; VCF Mid-Atlantic today is still awesome, you should show up and you > will have fun. > > > First, I am a current member of the VCF MidAtlantic Steering Committee. My > seat is not up for re-election this year. I was invited to join the SteerCo > as it's final, and tie-breaker member. I was excited and honored to accept > and never looked back! > > I'm glad we had this airing of grievances before Festivus, fwiw. > > My history in VCF is short, but exciting. I was a lurker on the VCF forums > for years, and one day in the waning of 2018 I decided to get involved. > Wall NJ isn't that far from Philly, where I live. I joined the mailing list > and found out about the upcoming Festivus. > > I enjoyed a wonderful year of Festivus 2018, VCF East 2019, the monthly > repair workshops and Festivus 2019. I tried to attend every workshop, and I > managed to almost do that. I often used them as a venue to git rid of a lot > of my excess vintage gear, to talk and socialize, learn about VCF @ Info > age oh and sometimes work on something I had. Camp Evans itself is a > fascinating piece of history full of interesting groups, people and > artifacts. All willing to share and talk if you take the time. > > > > Since being part of the SteerCo I have seen transformational changes in > VCF-MA (i.e. the parts in Camp Evans (aka InfoAge). Those changes have > happened for a simple reason- there were now a core group of _seven_ > (steerCo + Corey and Jeff) people who were dedicating ridiculous amounts of > their time (and even funds) to assess, prioritize, and execute on projects > that needed doing. Not just one person, but seven. > > > And we are setting up a transparent and accountable process to let > everyone know what and how the steerco is going to do things and also to > ensure outreach and ensure that any interested member can contribute. Even > seven people isn't enough to make VCF a better place as fast as we wanted. > > > I truly feel that anyone can contribute just as much or more than any > steerCo member by doing a simple thing- showing up! > > > Not only will you be able to meet and make some good friends you will be > able to help in the myriad of jobs/tasks that we still need to get done to > make VCF Museum an even more inviting place and a richer nexus for visitors > and members alike. > > > VCF-MA is more than ever involved in cooperation with other local orgs > with similar mandates. > > > Those are my thoughts and I'm sticking to them, > -andy > > > > > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving forward
by Dave McGuire 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

On 11/11/20 8:59 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > What I see is a bunch of my so-called "friends" jumping on a vigilante > bandwagon, as if the group was going nowhere or must "recover" because > my leadership held it back. Pretty much, yes. You didn't lead, you dictated. That dictatorship had some very good results, don't get me wrong, but let's call it what it is. > Fifteen years spent building the collection, the museum, East, pushing > forward the return of West, building amazing relationships with ACM, > Bell Labs, Babbage Institute, CHM, IEEE, and all of the other > collector/hobbyist groups, winning awards at NYC Maker Faire, growing > the budget from zero to $50,000/year ... how easily we forget. Nobody has forgotten the huge amount of very successful work you put into starting the organization. But YOU'VE clearly forgotten who started this thread, and what that initial message was all about. What people ARE complaining about is what you did after you quit. > Corey said it best when I resigned back in December: the group, the > museum, and VCF East all likely would not exist if not for me. I'd say that's very likely. But that's no longer relevant, because you quit and turned yourself into an enemy. And for reasons that I just don't get, you're still allowed on this list, when you all you do is stir up trouble like this. This sort of trouble destroys communities. Is this a typical "if I can't have it nobody else will" type of situation? > Yet hear you all are trampling on my grave and threatening to kick > me out. Hear vs. here. I guess you rely on software assistance with stuff like that when you're being the end-all, be-all of journalism. But that aside, there is no grave, because you never left. You remained subscribed to this list, just so you could stir up crap like this. > Apple without Steve Jobs is nothing special. Are you seriously comparing yourself to Steve Jobs? Evan, you need to spend less time in front of a keyboard and more time in front of a therapist. I've asked you personally to drop this several times. I'm asking you once more. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving forward
by laurakid 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

Ps. Now I understand all the brackets or tics or tacs.... I did say outsider. Or better, call me a student Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, November 11, 2020, 3:24 PM, laurakid via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: .... All infighting aside, This discussion has helped me to understand more about VCF and has me excited that maybe I can help out now. I was very active helping before VCF East 2018 and a little here and there up until my friend had surgery and needed my help in April 2019. I hated having to miss VCF East 2019 but my friend’s surgery and recovery took awhile. C’est les vis. I am particularly excited to hear about warehouse improvements! The dust and dirt and crazy climate fluctuations always concerned me. I hope I can help out there. As those who have worked with me know, I am willing and able to do the oddest of odd jobs and also am capable of some heavy lifting (Roller Derby). Speaking of Roller Derby, these sorts of arguments go on in that world too. It is also a group of dedicated, unpaid volunteers running a non-profit labor of love. But some of that fighting is likely quelled because we actually can hit each other (or could, before covid). I sincerely hope I can become more present in the group as I was in 2018. I was just getting to know VCF and many of you. I am an outsider in that I am not a hobbyist and have limited knowledge of the actual history and technology VCF is about, but that is precisely what made me want to volunteer in the first place. My mom did her dissertation on a Commodore 64. I brought a “luggable” computer to my first year of college in 1994. I am truly fascinated and would love to learn more. (Before the Neptune Radio Shack closed down I would spend time browsing different parts and soldering kits, wishing I knew what they were for and how to work with them). I apologize for the rambling. I am just excited. I sorta thought volunteer opportunities were a thing of the past. Warehouse is where I shine. Let me at it 😉 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, November 11, 2020, 3:00 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: On 11/11/20 8:59 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > What I see is a bunch of my so-called "friends" jumping on a vigilante > bandwagon, as if the group was going nowhere or must "recover" because > my leadership held it back. Pretty much, yes. You didn't lead, you dictated. That dictatorship had some very good results, don't get me wrong, but let's call it what it is. > Fifteen years spent building the collection, the museum, East, pushing > forward the return of West, building amazing relationships with ACM, > Bell Labs, Babbage Institute, CHM, IEEE, and all of the other > collector/hobbyist groups, winning awards at NYC Maker Faire, growing > the budget from zero to $50,000/year ... how easily we forget. Nobody has forgotten the huge amount of very successful work you put into starting the organization. But YOU'VE clearly forgotten who started this thread, and what that initial message was all about. What people ARE complaining about is what you did after you quit. > Corey said it best when I resigned back in December: the group, the > museum, and VCF East all likely would not exist if not for me. I'd say that's very likely. But that's no longer relevant, because you quit and turned yourself into an enemy. And for reasons that I just don't get, you're still allowed on this list, when you all you do is stir up trouble like this. This sort of trouble destroys communities. Is this a typical "if I can't have it nobody else will" type of situation? > Yet hear you all are trampling on my grave and threatening to kick > me out. Hear vs. here. I guess you rely on software assistance with stuff like that when you're being the end-all, be-all of journalism. But that aside, there is no grave, because you never left. You remained subscribed to this list, just so you could stir up crap like this. > Apple without Steve Jobs is nothing special. Are you seriously comparing yourself to Steve Jobs? Evan, you need to spend less time in front of a keyboard and more time in front of a therapist. I've asked you personally to drop this several times. I'm asking you once more. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving forward
by Jeffrey Brace 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 2:12 PM Peter Fletcher via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > These sorts of discussions are why many of us aren’t more actively > involved. I enjoy showing up at VCF East and having an exhibit, but life is > complicated enough to see this sort of infighting every few months. > > Evan did great things and the steering committee does great things. I’ll > stick to showing up once a year for VCF East and start muting these threads > for my own sanity. > Hey Pete, Sorry to hear that you are feeling that way. I can totally empathize with your feelings. I would ask you to keep in mind that discussions like these are not representative of everything that happens in our group. I'd like to think of us as a family. Families fight sometimes, have hurt feelings, hold resentments, etc. But families also have a lot of positive things like friendship, camaraderie, similar interests, vintage computer fun! I invite you to not give up on going to other events, especially Festivus which is our "most fun" event. Also come to our repair workshops. From going to these events you can see more of the positive side of our members. In any case, I applaud you telling us your feelings. I would much rather know someone's feelings whatever they are, than to not know and wonder. At least if we know, then we can at least try to address the situation. Jeff > > -Pete > > > > > On Nov 11, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > > > From: Evan Koblentz <evan(a)snarc.net> > > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving forward > > Date: November 11, 2020 at 8:59:28 AM EST > > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > > > > > > What I see is a bunch of my so-called "friends" jumping on a vigilante > bandwagon, as if the group was going nowhere or must "recover" because my > leadership held it back. > > > > Fifteen years spent building the collection, the museum, East, pushing > forward the return of West, building amazing relationships with ACM, Bell > Labs, Babbage Institute, CHM, IEEE, and all of the other collector/hobbyist > groups, winning awards at NYC Maker Faire, growing the budget from zero to > $50,000/year ... how easily we forget. > > > > Corey said it best when I resigned back in December: the group, the > museum, and VCF East all likely would not exist if not for me. > > > > Yet hear you all are trampling on my grave and threatening to kick me > out. > > > > Apple without Steve Jobs is nothing special. > > > > > > > > -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving forward
by Peter Fletcher 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

These sorts of discussions are why many of us aren’t more actively involved. I enjoy showing up at VCF East and having an exhibit, but life is complicated enough to see this sort of infighting every few months. Evan did great things and the steering committee does great things. I’ll stick to showing up once a year for VCF East and start muting these threads for my own sanity. -Pete > On Nov 11, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > From: Evan Koblentz <evan(a)snarc.net> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving forward > Date: November 11, 2020 at 8:59:28 AM EST > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > > > What I see is a bunch of my so-called "friends" jumping on a vigilante bandwagon, as if the group was going nowhere or must "recover" because my leadership held it back. > > Fifteen years spent building the collection, the museum, East, pushing forward the return of West, building amazing relationships with ACM, Bell Labs, Babbage Institute, CHM, IEEE, and all of the other collector/hobbyist groups, winning awards at NYC Maker Faire, growing the budget from zero to $50,000/year ... how easily we forget. > > Corey said it best when I resigned back in December: the group, the museum, and VCF East all likely would not exist if not for me. > > Yet hear you all are trampling on my grave and threatening to kick me out. > > Apple without Steve Jobs is nothing special. > > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving forward
by Dean Notarnicola 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

Pete, I'm sorry for that. This discussion has become counter-productive and in the interest of everyone's sensibilities, we should mute this discussion. Everything that needs to be said has been said. I thank everyone for their opinions and their patience. As everyone knows, this is not the norm here. Time to move on. Regards, Dean On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 2:12 PM Peter Fletcher via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > These sorts of discussions are why many of us aren’t more actively > involved. I enjoy showing up at VCF East and having an exhibit, but life is > complicated enough to see this sort of infighting every few months. > > Evan did great things and the steering committee does great things. I’ll > stick to showing up once a year for VCF East and start muting these threads > for my own sanity. > > -Pete > > > > > On Nov 11, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > > > From: Evan Koblentz <evan(a)snarc.net> > > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving forward > > Date: November 11, 2020 at 8:59:28 AM EST > > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > > > > > > What I see is a bunch of my so-called "friends" jumping on a vigilante > bandwagon, as if the group was going nowhere or must "recover" because my > leadership held it back. > > > > Fifteen years spent building the collection, the museum, East, pushing > forward the return of West, building amazing relationships with ACM, Bell > Labs, Babbage Institute, CHM, IEEE, and all of the other collector/hobbyist > groups, winning awards at NYC Maker Faire, growing the budget from zero to > $50,000/year ... how easily we forget. > > > > Corey said it best when I resigned back in December: the group, the > museum, and VCF East all likely would not exist if not for me. > > > > Yet hear you all are trampling on my grave and threatening to kick me > out. > > > > Apple without Steve Jobs is nothing special. > > > > > > > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving forward
by Ethan O'Toole 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

> Apple without Steve Jobs is nothing special. But... teddy bear Woz!!! - Ethan > [NON-Text Body part not included]

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving forward
by Andrew Diller 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

Woz just said "hold my beer..." > > Apple without Steve Jobs is nothing special. >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Michael Brutman 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

Wow Bill, that was amazing. Let's correct a few things. There are plenty of user groups and clubs both in the Pacific Northwest (where I live) and in Silicon Valley (where Erik lives). For you to ask people to think about "why is there no club out west or north west?" is absurd. (For the record I was active at the local Seattle Retrocomputing Society.) Nobody tricked Evan into giving up his board position. He wanted a paid position in line with what an executive director does - day-to-day operations of the museum in NJ. While an important position, it is not a board level position. So nobody should be surprised if they give up a board position and then don't have a say on board level decisions. I wasn't on the board at the time but this is pretty obvious. What is this business of which you speak? The one where the most of us pay our own travel expenses and volunteer dozens to hundreds of hours a year? The one that we also actively hustle to get donations for? That doesn't sound like a business to me; it sounds like a labor of love. We formed the steering committee to give local people who volunteered a museum more autonomy and oversight over the things they were directly working on. Other people wanted a voice and a say in what happened there. It couldn't be bottlenecked or controlled by one person anymore. This is how you grow and scale an organization. The idea that this was some nefarious plot to have somebody else get rid of Evan is insane, and it fits with the rest of this bullshit conspiracy theory crap you are spinning. We don't control all of vintage computing, nor do we want to. I'm not sure if you've been paying attention or you just like to act like you know what is going on, but we've been freely advertising the other VCF events both in the US and Europe - go look at the website. That was actually a big change after Evan left the board - Evan was a lot more likely to demand that people shouldn't be using the VCF name, which was not a valid demand to make. We don't own the IP. The current national board has been a big believer in a rising tide lifts all boats; we actively cross promote the other groups. "The new VCF West and northwest shows were formed after Brutman and Erik Klein joined the board and they pretty much own them through the board." Fact: the VCF West event was resurrected before I joined the board. VCF PNW came after I joined in 2018. I don't own PNW in any form, through the board or otherwise. I'm just the slob volunteer who launched it and did the majority of the organization for two years. Do you really think I benefited financially or I own anything as a result of having run VCF PNW in 2018 or 2019? What exactly did I get from it? What is this ownership that you refer to? "I suppose no one cares about the breakdown of east vs west revenue, but suffice it to say it ain't even" I don't even know what to say about that, other than it demonstrates such a lack of critical thinking that it is mind boggling. Yep, East has more revenue. No question. But let's look at where the revenue goes. VCF PNW ran in 2018 and 2019 and was two weeks away from running in 2020 before COVID-19 killed it. VCF PNW made a modest amount of money both years, and *all* of the money went back to the org. So sure, East has more revenue than PNW. But not a single dime of any money has stayed in the Seattle area. It all went back to VCF to support the museum, the web hosting, the workshops, etc. It certainly isn't even .. it all goes back to the VCFed, the nexus of which is the museum in NJ. Erik's story with West is going to be similar. Heck, even in 2020 after all of the expenses for VCF PNW were mostly sunk and the event was cancelled *I still managed to hustle* and turn a profit for the org. I had 200 t-shirts made up that I couldn't sell in person. I've logged over 100 hours invoicing and mailing t-shirts, raising money that probably would have been written off because we didn't have in-person events this year. And we still managed to get most exhibitors and volunteers a free t-shirt for their efforts. The t-shirts raised awareness for VCFed and also helped keep the lights on this year when our other sources of revenue dried up. That's not bad when you consider what happened to actual functioning museums with real payrolls that had to close this year. When I launched VCF PNW in 2018 I explicitly did not charge a gate fee, and it was the first event that we ever planned to operate that way. We explicitly wanted the event to be accessible to spread the word and raise awareness. It succeeded and we did it again in 2019. Does this sound like an evil corporation trying to wrest control away from the people who built it? Moving the museum? Another conspiracy theory. The only talk about ever moving the museum happens when we are talking about the leaky warehouse roof or the viability of InfoAge as a site. Nobody has ever even thought about relocating unless we get forced out of InfoAge or have to flee because they can't maintain the site anymore. Bill, your time on the VCFed board was spent criticizing and throwing rocks, but never actually doing anything. Stop grossly mis-representing what happened and what goes on there now. I busted my ass for VCFed. Erik busted his ass for VCFed. Jeff busts his ass for VCFed. Corey busts his ass for VCFed. You didn't do crap. For the record, unrelated to this little side-show, this morning I announced to the other board members that I was going to be winding down my involvement as a board member and opening up a spot for a new person. Over four years we are going to turn two out of five board positions over. I think that is a healthy turnover rate. You are doing your thing with Kennett Classic, which is a business that you own. Don't imply that we're doing anything like that with VCFed ... we're volunteering and making a difference, and we can demonstrate it. You've just found a good way to turn a hobby into a business deduction. There is a big difference between what we do and what you do.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF-MA Steering Committee Election Update
by Dean Notarnicola 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

Technically, a member is someone who simply subscribes to the mailing list. In spirit, a member is someone who becomes further involved in VCF affairs, either by becoming informed by reading the list, attending VCF functions, volunteering, etc. This is how we define membership for the purposes of voting and participating in steering the direction of the organization. Regards, Dean On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 7:53 AM Ben Greenfield via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Hello All, > > Adam, thank you for that update. I admit to only vaguely following the > list these days but had no idea that this is what has been going on. > > My question is regarding membership. How does VCF know who it’s members > are. > > During the formulation period I think it was rolled into VCF exhibit fees. > > I’m happy to be member but not really sure how it works. > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > On Nov 11, 2020, at 7:45 AM, Adam Michlin via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > I am beyond excited by not only the quantity of people but also the > quality > > of people running for the two steering committee positions. > > > > Some background for those interested. At this time last year, the > National > > Board, consisting of three west coast members and two east coast members, > > recognized it was difficult for them to oversee day to day operations > from > > afar and bravo to them for recognizing this. The initial decision was > made > > to have the executive director report to one of the individual board > > members. This was a bad decision and I said so loudly. Many of you work > at > > all levels of both for profit and nonprofits and know this is a recipe > for > > chaos. > > > > The executive director balked at this, rightfully so, and issued an > > ultimatum. As many of you also know, issuing an ultimatum to your > employer > > never ends well, but I want to be clear that the National Board created > an > > untenable situation albeit with the best of intentions to solve a clear > and > > present problem. As such, I made the point that the ultimatum be allowed > to > > be walked back (an extremely rare thing for any organization to allow). > To > > the absolute credit of the National Board, they agreed. > > > > I then proposed the Steering Committee (SC) as a way to oversee east > coast > > operations by people with literal feet on the ground and the National > Board > > agreed. Initially, however, I rejected the notion of being appointed to > it. > > I wanted to be voted to it or not be on it at all. I truly believe and > > still believe that VCF is an organization of its members and each member > > must get a say in how we do business for the organization to grow. > Growing > > up isn't always fun and games, but you either grow or you shrink, you can > > never stay the same. > > > > Better minds convinced me that the SC needed to first formulate an > > environment amenable to an election and I agreed to participate for one > > year with the stipulation that my seat would be the first up for > election. > > If people liked what I did. Great. If not, they have every right to vote > me > > right out. Life (and Covid) intervened and I'm not running again due to a > > relocation to South Carolina. I'm still working as the national social > > media specialist, though (an appointed position, for what I hope are self > > evident reasons). Bottom line, and I'm thrilled to say this, we have an > > election process and each and every one of you has a vote. > > > > This election is a chance for you to suggest the direction you want VCF > to > > go in and then follow up and make it happen with your vote. Respond to > this > > email and tell us all, especially the candidates, things that need to > > improve. Tell us things you like. Tell us what direction *you* want VCF > to > > go in. > > > > And (sorry, I know how tired we are all of hearing this for a different > > election), vote. > > > > -Adam > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 9:13 PM Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < > > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > >> Update! The following is the list of current nominees: > >> > >> Ian Primus - Nominated by Adam Michlin > >> Alex Jacocks - Nominated by Jeff Brace > >> Tony Bogan - Nominated by Dean Notarnicola > >> Dave McGuire - Nominated by Chris Fala > >> Jason Perkins - Nominated by Evan Koblentz > >> > >> Nominees should feel free to make statements in support of themselves, > if > >> desired. > >> > >> Please keep the nominations coming! > >> > >> Regards, > >> Dean > >> > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Dave McGuire 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

On 11/10/20 11:52 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Last year I got Ken Thompson to come to VCF East and arranged for > Brian to be there too. > > The video reached 100,000 views today: https://youtu.be/EY6q5dv_B-o > ... no other VCF video is even close. I'm quite certain that I'm not the only person who wants to say something negative about this post. But, I'm honestly rather tired of being the guy who speaks up and says what everyone else is thinking, and gets a dozen or more private replies in agreement, but not a single public voice of agreement. So, I will keep my mouth shut and let someone else perform the service. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Tony Bogan 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

There’s obviously a lot to running the show Evan, no one ever disputed that. My point was simple, I’m sorry you missed it, so here it is again. You keep touting Ken Thompson and throwing it in my face, even though I clearly said it was a huge score and we all congratulated you on it, but in the end it wasn’t even your idea to ask him, period. Did you give credit to anyone else? Nope. Did you physically tie him up and bring him there or did you communicate (obviously successfully by the way) with him through phone and emails? Getting His interviewer was also a great idea, and something multiple people discussed. Again, not just your idea. I’m sure it was an oversight on your part not mentioning that either. You keep knocking Jeff and belittling him as the show runner for a show that YOU bailed out of only months before without notice to anyone (you quit in a hissy fit on the public list without so much as a heads up to anyone) after you had just said you were at least going to stay till after vcf East. Then Covid happened, which no one could account for, but we still pulled off a great virtual show. Was great to see all the positive feedback from you on that one by the way. Your positive posts on the list keep coming fast and furiously. But you keep taking credit for all the great things you did In the past Evan, I’m sure there’s something you did that you haven’t rammed down everyone’s throat at least once or twice. Context matters, even if it doesn’t matter to you. Tony Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 10, 2020, at 6:49 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > <mime-attachment>

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Re: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by laurakid 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

Wow.... Hope everyone has a restful evening. That was intense 😊 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, November 10, 2020, 7:22 PM, Doug Crawford <memphis(a)ptd.net> wrote: So Laurakid doesn't stand alone, I have heard nearly verbatum the same take on the events of last year from everyone who has expressed their opinion. I concur with her assessment too. The same behavior was seen last Festivus during the "suggestion" session, right? Anyone remember how that went? It was pretty much a microcosm of our collective experience over the years. We tire of the repeated gloat and jab. Either fold in some way constructively or go away, please. DC On 11/10/2020 2:36 PM, laurakid wrote: was in response to David’s post.... i see the thread has grown Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, November 10, 2020, 2:32 PM, laurakid via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: Ok I’ll do it.... My reaction to Evan’s post is that it is petty and (not so) passive aggressive. With all of planning for Festivus going on without him, he is reliving past misperceptions of being tossed out of VCF. In reality, the group he started had grown with the help of many who he refused to let grow up with it. Once VCF became a non-profit and a board was in place, he was annoyed that he could no longer be “president”. No one ever challenged Evan’s importance and his role as the founder and leader of VCF. However, after years of having suggestions, ideas, and objections fall on deaf ears, the board members came to an agreement to form a committee so that VCF could be operated and developed with a democratic process rather than what often seemed like a dictatorship. Evan, I apologize that this sounds rash, but in person we had conversations while working together in the warehouse where you admitted that you were annoyed at people for not doing things your way and that other members were on your nerves with opposing views. You also admitted that you were extremely stubborn and reluctant to listen to or acknowledge the contributions of others, myself included. I think you are a generally decent guy who like all humans has flaws. Currently, those are coming out in your recent posts. You created something great and when it grew, you continued to work with great people to make it even bigger and better. But when it got big enough that you needed to cooperate more with others, you opted out. In closing: A parent must let their teenager have more freedom to make their own decisions despite their objections to let them grow and thrive. You were a great parent, and still can be, you just need to let your child grow up. You can remain a part of it’s life if you can understand that it is growing up and has its own ideas. Throwing “I told you so” at it will only grow frustration and resentment. Hope all is well with you and that this message is read as the constructive criticism it was meant to be. Best, Laura Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, November 10, 2020, 12:19 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: On 11/10/20 11:52 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Last year I got Ken Thompson to come to VCF East and arranged for > Brian to be there too. > > The video reached 100,000 views today: https://youtu.be/EY6q5dv_B-o > ... no other VCF video is even close. I'm quite certain that I'm not the only person who wants to say something negative about this post. But, I'm honestly rather tired of being the guy who speaks up and says what everyone else is thinking, and gets a dozen or more private replies in agreement, but not a single public voice of agreement. So, I will keep my mouth shut and let someone else perform the service. -Dave

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Tony Bogan 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

It was an exaggeration. The commentator asked what to do. The show runner told them it was time to stop. Same same. They obviously wanted to continue, otherwise they wouldn’t have asked. It was readily apparent to everyone. Except you. Adam and I had DOZENS of people who were flabbergasted at the decision to stop the discussion come and complain to us at the computer/software store. It was the single biggest complaint we received at the event. Cutting them off mid sentence was not what happened, you are correct. You waited for them to ask what to do, and then cut the discussion off. Apologies for the misrepresentation to those who may not have watched the video. Tony Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 10, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > <mime-attachment>

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POSTPONED -- Vintage Repair Weekend 11/14-11/15 at System Source
by rar 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

We are postponing the repair weekend at System Source due to a local spike in COVID-19 over the past week. Several of the surrounding counties and Baltimore City have restricted events to ten or fewer people, and we expect similar restrictions to go into effect by Friday evening in Baltimore County. To a healthier 2021! We expect to host again in February 2021 and November 2021. Bob Roswell broswell(a)syssrc.com 410-771-5544 ext 4336 Computer Museum Highlights<http://museum.syssrc.com/> [cid:image001.png@01D6B769.A2D5FBB0]

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Alexander Pierson 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >VCF MW and VCF E are two different kinds of show. That doesn't invalidate the two other VCFed-run events that have both elected to run exhibits/talks simultaneously. If anything, that makes East the outlier if West, PNW, and MW are all doing it that way. Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >as a veteran exhibitor it's frustrating that you can't really walk around as much as you'd like, and you miss the things going on at the festival sometimes. I concur. It's why I've appreciated having help at my exhibit table, so I can step away for a moment to take photos, talk to people, etc. as needed. Still, there are at least 5 places I'd like to be at any given moment during a show and the exhibit gets priority. So it goes. Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >which helps assuage the disappointment of missing Joe Decuir's keynote last yearThat's unfair to you. We may elect to be an exhibitor and be part of the show, missing presentations important to us just isn't right if you ask me. So, how do we break this down? The VCF East approach is simply that the exhibit floor and keynote timeframes do not overlap, but that means only one keynote per main show day and the full day of classes and smaller subject talks. The rest of the VCFs have the two overlap, and take a more laissez faire approach (with VCFMW being the extreme example), where people duck out to see a talk and then come back. Having more than a few talks one wishes to attend throughout the day results in an empty booth, and the logic that lead us to the first approach. And I fully understand why people want to avoid seeing them unattended for too long. My point is that there has to be a happy middle ground between the die-hard "we must be shackled to our exhibits" mentality and leaving computers to their lonesome as we socialize and watch the presentations. Not everyone wants to see talks, and not everyone wants to stay at the table all day long. Other events of our caliber do this, especially the larger ones, so it's something to consider why the no-overlap approach isn't as common. Take my perspective with a grain of salt. -Alexander 'Z' Pierson On Tuesday, November 10, 2020, 02:23:42 PM EST, Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: On 11/10/20 11:06 AM, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Overall flow and schedule and all that is hard to maintain when it's not > all in the same place. People can bring "look but don't touch" signs or > guidance stanchions to place in front of their exhibits for times when no > one is present to guard the goodies. Of course I never did this, but as a > veteran exhibitor it's frustrating that you can't really walk around as > much as you'd like, and you miss the things going on at the festival > sometimes. > > Bill > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 1:57 PM Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >> I think exhibitors can make the decision to be responsible and go back to >> their exhibit at the appropriate time. Best of both worlds. Why should >> attendees have a talk limited by the availability of the exhibitors? >> When I've exhibited at the PNW show, the exhibits are open all day, even while the keynotes are going on. As an exhibitor, I always took the approach that I'm part of the show, one of the performers if you will, that the attendees have just paid money to come see. I'm member of the body of VCF, evangelizing about my particular interest niche, educating passers by on why it's the coolest thing in the world and worthy of preservation. I'm not arguing for one approach over the other, just sharing how I look at it, which helps assuage the disappointment of missing Joe Decuir's keynote last year, even while I was exhibiting a system he designed. :) --Jason

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Dave McGuire 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

On 11/10/20 3:59 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Okay, so let the hardcore nerds, who lack any clue about > business/marketing, run your next show. I'll make popcorn > and watch how that goes. I dunno, you didn't do too bad, and you know a lot less than that. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Evan Koblentz 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

I almost forgot Chuck Peddle. On Nov 10, 2020, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >From: Evan Koblentz <evan(a)snarc.net> >To: Tony Bogan <thebogans(a)mac.com>, vcf-midatlantic ><vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> >Sent: Tue Nov 10 15:59:39 EST 2020 >Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video > >>> Adam and I had DOZENS of people who were flabbergasted at the >decision to stop the discussion come and complain to us at the >computer/software store. It was the single biggest complaint we >received at the event. > >Okay, so let the hardcore nerds, who lack any clue about >business/marketing, run your next show. I'll make popcorn and watch how >that goes. > >I brought in friggin KEN THOMPSON. Also, from past years: Brian >Kernighan, the ARPAnet director, the co-inventor of BASIC, Dan Kottke, >Ted Nelson, Stewart Cheifet, Bob Frankston, Dave Ahl, Bill Mauchly, >Bill Cheswick, Maris Graube, Jason Scott, Bil Herd, John Blakenbaker, >Bjarne Stroustrup, Dave Walden, and Don Eyles. > >Your current showrunner brought the VIC-20 marketing guy. > >Why listen to me? I can't imagine.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Dave McGuire 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

On 11/10/20 2:39 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Evan, I'm making this suggestion as a friend who is trying to save you further embarrassment: Just stop. Don't say anything more. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Evan Koblentz 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

>> With all of planning for Festivus going on without him, he is reliving past misperceptions of being tossed out of VCF You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by laurakid 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

was in response to David’s post.... i see the thread has grown Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, November 10, 2020, 2:32 PM, laurakid via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: Ok I’ll do it.... My reaction to Evan’s post is that it is petty and (not so) passive aggressive. With all of planning for Festivus going on without him, he is reliving past misperceptions of being tossed out of VCF. In reality, the group he started had grown with the help of many who he refused to let grow up with it. Once VCF became a non-profit and a board was in place, he was annoyed that he could no longer be “president”. No one ever challenged Evan’s importance and his role as the founder and leader of VCF. However, after years of having suggestions, ideas, and objections fall on deaf ears, the board members came to an agreement to form a committee so that VCF could be operated and developed with a democratic process rather than what often seemed like a dictatorship. Evan, I apologize that this sounds rash, but in person we had conversations while working together in the warehouse where you admitted that you were annoyed at people for not doing things your way and that other members were on your nerves with opposing views. You also admitted that you were extremely stubborn and reluctant to listen to or acknowledge the contributions of others, myself included. I think you are a generally decent guy who like all humans has flaws. Currently, those are coming out in your recent posts. You created something great and when it grew, you continued to work with great people to make it even bigger and better. But when it got big enough that you needed to cooperate more with others, you opted out. In closing: A parent must let their teenager have more freedom to make their own decisions despite their objections to let them grow and thrive. You were a great parent, and still can be, you just need to let your child grow up. You can remain a part of it’s life if you can understand that it is growing up and has its own ideas. Throwing “I told you so” at it will only grow frustration and resentment. Hope all is well with you and that this message is read as the constructive criticism it was meant to be. Best, Laura Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, November 10, 2020, 12:19 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: On 11/10/20 11:52 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Last year I got Ken Thompson to come to VCF East and arranged for > Brian to be there too. > > The video reached 100,000 views today: https://youtu.be/EY6q5dv_B-o > ... no other VCF video is even close. I'm quite certain that I'm not the only person who wants to say something negative about this post. But, I'm honestly rather tired of being the guy who speaks up and says what everyone else is thinking, and gets a dozen or more private replies in agreement, but not a single public voice of agreement. So, I will keep my mouth shut and let someone else perform the service. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Dean Notarnicola 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

I think exhibitors can make the decision to be responsible and go back to their exhibit at the appropriate time. Best of both worlds. Why should attendees have a talk limited by the availability of the exhibitors? On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 1:42 PM Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >> At least now we know in the future to allow exhibits to open WHILE the > keynote is still going on > > Bad idea. The exhibitors would have to worry about the public pawing at > their systems unsupervised. That's why I kept a schedule of the keynote and > THEN the exhibits, so the exhibitors were free to attend the keynote > without fear. >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Bill Degnan 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:02 PM Alexander Pierson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >Bad idea. The exhibitors would have to worry about the public pawing at > their systems unsupervised. > Forgive me, but don't VCF West and Midwest both do this exact thing, and > have for many years? People developed a buddy system of maintaining watch > over their friend's exhibits during panels, and you can watch the ebb and > flow of the crowd based on whichever presentation is currently happening. > -Alexander 'Z' Pierson > On Tuesday, November 10, 2020, 01:42:37 PM EST, Evan Koblentz via > vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > >> At least now we know in the future to allow exhibits to open WHILE the > keynote is still going on > > Bad idea. The exhibitors would have to worry about the public pawing at > their systems unsupervised. That's why I kept a schedule of the keynote and > THEN the exhibits, so the exhibitors were free to attend the keynote > without fear. > > > VCF MW and VCF E are two different kinds of show.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
by Alexander Pierson 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

>Bad idea. The exhibitors would have to worry about the public pawing at their systems unsupervised. Forgive me, but don't VCF West and Midwest both do this exact thing, and have for many years? People developed a buddy system of maintaining watch over their friend's exhibits during panels, and you can watch the ebb and flow of the crowd based on whichever presentation is currently happening. -Alexander 'Z' Pierson On Tuesday, November 10, 2020, 01:42:37 PM EST, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >> At least now we know in the future to allow exhibits to open WHILE the keynote is still going on Bad idea. The exhibitors would have to worry about the public pawing at their systems unsupervised. That's why I kept a schedule of the keynote and THEN the exhibits, so the exhibitors were free to attend the keynote without fear.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Fwd: AppleIIGS
by Herb Johnson 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

> My problem is my printer. My > printer will print up to a page and then hang up. > .... could take a look at the ImageWriter > I live in Phoenix Arizona Jeff, my answer is so specific to this person, I'll send those details to you and you can send it to that person. The problem seems to be one common to IW II printers: the head stalls and jams to the left. I'm not aware of a fix. In the end, my advice is: buy another, working IW II that is available local to Arizona so you can save shipping. Or of course, pick up. It costs more to ship these puppies than their sale price on that auction Web site. I also advise: save the old printer. They may need the print head or other parts, for repairs owners are likely able to do. Regards, Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net

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Fwd: AppleIIGS
by Jeffrey Brace 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

Someone is looking for help with AppleWorks on an Apple IIGS. Does anyone have any contacts in that area? Here is her problem: I have a vintage Apple IIGS computer that I still like to use. I find the Apple Works program very user-friendly. My problem is my printer. My printer will print up to a page and then hang up. I like using the Apple works programs because I can design very simple pages that I need to keep track of my books, authors, etc., and when I have read them. I find no programs or current Apple apps that would do that. I also customize it for use for my travel history, genealogical information, and various collections. Before I retired, it was great for keeping my students’ grades. No one can hack into it, and I could keep my passwords list and finance information safe. I have a lot of lists of things, and would like to be able to print them. I live in Phoenix Arizona. I was wondering if you have any kind of a list of professionals or hobbyists who could take a look at the ImageWriter and hopefully correct what is wrong. I understand there is someone in Denver, but that is a little far go for me. Anywhere in Arizona or Southern California would be OK for me. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Festivus is still on Dec. 12 & 13
by Jeffrey Brace 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

We have some ideas on how to have a safer inside eating area with a enhanced ventilation. 5 rooms in 3 buildings to spread out Here are planned events: Festivus Swap Meet (Women's Bunkroom) Repair Workshop (2 locations) Game Room (across from cafeteria) Outdoor grilling (outside cafeteria) Eating area (unfurnished space outside of cafeteria) The date scheduled for Festivus is December 12 & 13. Signup is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lkvcwSpdy_c67MJQTiUEDspim2PrcIjM1Of… Cost is $10 per person per day. Signup for a food or drink item that you will bring. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Looking for Dragonball (MC68EZ328) tools
by Richard Cini 09 Nov '20

09 Nov '20

All – Does anyone know of an archive of old Motorola tools for this platform? The EZ328 was used in the Palm Pilot, but I wouldn’t mind playing with a development board if one existed. I have Pilot development tools (and an old Pilot), but I’m looking to go to the hardware. I’m also looking for the old tools to get the chip into bootstrap mode (I’ve seen mention of an SRecord to bootstrap coverter called STOB.EXE, but I can’t find it.). Thanks! Rich -- Rich Cini http://www.classiccmp.org/cini http://www.classiccmp.org/altair32

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] System Source workshop items for sale/free
by Mike Loewen 08 Nov '20

08 Nov '20

Both items have been claimed! Stay tuned for more goodies. On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 8:19 PM Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > I have a Commodore 1902A monitor in good working condition, but > missing the > cover for the front controls: $75 > > I also have a Hazeltine Esprit III terminal in good working condition, > but > NO KEYBOARD: free to good home > > I'll be at the workshop on Saturday. > > > Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us > Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ >

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System Source workshop items for sale/free
by Mike Loewen 08 Nov '20

08 Nov '20

I have a Commodore 1902A monitor in good working condition, but missing the cover for the front controls: $75 I also have a Hazeltine Esprit III terminal in good working condition, but NO KEYBOARD: free to good home I'll be at the workshop on Saturday. Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

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Nov 14 & 15 Repair Workshop at System Source
by Jeffrey Brace 08 Nov '20

08 Nov '20

The Vintage Computer Federation and the System Source Computer Museum are hosting a vintage computer workshop on Saturday November 14th and Sunday November 15th 2020 at: System Source Computer Museum 338 Clubhouse Road, Hunt Valley, MD 21031 Plenty of free parking, short walk from Baltimore’s light rail (Gilroy Road Stop) We will open at 9:00 AM on Saturday November 14th, 2020 and will lock up by 7:30 PM. We will go to dinner afterwards. If you are interested in dinner, then please indicate on the signup form. We will open at 9:00 AM on Sunday November 15th and lock up at 5:00 PM Accommodations: Try https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotels-g41196-Hunt_Valley_Maryland-Hotels.html Feel free to talk with others about sharing a room. Food: There are plenty of restaurants within a short drive. We will have a catered Indian buffet on Saturday at cost ($12.00?) and catered Barbecue ($12.00?) on Sunday for those who sign up. We will feature tours of the museum throughout both days and several mini- workshops: - Retrobright workshop (bring your yellowed plastics) - Pre-industrial computing class - Learn to use a slide rule, and various types of Abaci - Hot Metal Typesetting (3500 lb word processor) If you need a machine to work on, please let me know. We have lots of computers awaiting restoration! Let others know what you are working on. If you have unusual needs, (220 Volts, fork lift, etc please email Bob Roswell at museum(a)syssrc.com Bob Roswell broswell(a)syssrc.com https://museum.syssrc.com 410-771-5544 x 4336 Sign up for the repair workshop is here: < https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z72yC72x5PmN4jb0Aw8uK3x0sQwMAk-0Opu… > -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Swap meet was successful!
by Jeffrey Brace 08 Nov '20

08 Nov '20

We had 20 vendors and dozens of buyers. The weather was great. Logistics worked well. Everyone seemed happy. VCF raised a decent amount of money for warehouse renovations. It seemed like vendors sold enough to be profitable and get some good stuff from other vendors. I got a lot of great constructive criticism about the event which was most welcome. I took notes on how to improve for next time. This was the first time VCF did a swap meet and we did a decent job. Any other feedback on improving for next time would be great. Either replying here or privately. We are hoping to do one or two swap meets per year. I want to thank all the vendors who came. I want to thank all the volunteers who helped with setup, especially Bill Inderreiden who made and put up and took down all the roadside signs. Thanks to Tony, Adam, Dean for getting all the VCF warehouse stuff for sale and taking back at the end. Chris Fala for help in breakdown. And to Corey and his son for helping at the main desk. Onto the next event! -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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ITEMS wanted / looking for @swaP
by Bill Degnan 06 Nov '20

06 Nov '20

I am looking for a working Mac II, or Mac II[n] from 1987-90, and display, mouse, etc. Just not an SE-type Mac. I am also looking for another SGI display. Feel free to contact me privately. I will be there all day tomorrow. Trade or $$ I wasn't planning to get a table, but I am open to requests, should anyone be looking for something specific to buy or trade, I have a lot of spare inventory from 1977-1997. Bill Degnan

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Swap Meet Good Weather Predicted Saturday 11/7
by Jeffrey Brace 05 Nov '20

05 Nov '20

Looks like it will be in the 60's on Saturday, Sunny and not too much wind. There might be some fog in the early morning which will clear out quickly. We have about 15 vendors so far (even with 2 that have dropped out). Based on inquiries we will be adding a few more soon. Bill Inderriden and I will be doing some setup Friday and early morning Saturday. Please fill out the reservation form and send payment ASAP! We need to know when we setup the vendor spaces in the parking lot on Saturday. Here is the info in case anyone still needs it. *FREE FOR BUYERS!* *Vendors: $20 for 1st space, $10 for each additional space.* *DATE*: November 7, 2020 (RAIN DATE: November 8, 2020) *TIME*: 9AM to 6PM *LOCATION*: *Huge Parking lot on Monmouth Boulevard between Watson Road and Taft Street in Wall, NJ* Across from InfoAge Museum and Brookdale College GPS location: 40.1848793,-74.0630848 Google Maps: Click Here <https://www.google.com/maps/place/40%C2%B011'05.6%22N+74%C2%B003'47.1%22W/@40.1848834,-74.0652735,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d40.1848793!4d-74.0630848> Satellite Map Click Here <http://vcfed.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Swap_Meet_Map.png> Flyer – PNG <http://vcfed.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Swap_Meet_Flyer-1.png> Flyer – PDF <http://vcfed.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/VCF_Swap_Meet_2020_Flyer.pdf> *WEBSITE*: http://vcfed.org/wp/vcf-swap-meet *EMAIL*: swapmeet(a)vcfed.org *PHONE*: 732-722-5015 If you are interested in renting a space, please fill out this Reservation Form <https://forms.gle/mMwtVXmEcHKPEpYAA> -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Free to a good home but not at the swap meet
by Jim Scheef 04 Nov '20

04 Nov '20

Hello all, I'm cleaning out my basement and slowly offering things that need to go away. Most items will be free to a good home for everyone on this list. Terms are free, F.O.B. my driveway. In other words, you can arrange for local pickup or pay for shipping. Some large items will be local pickup only as I do not want to deal with the packaging. There is one other requirement: you must promise not to flip any of my items on eBay or other venue. Take only the stuff you genuinely want for your collection. Several years ago I gave away a semi-working Lisa 2, so pay attention. First item will be a CompuPro S100 system. I'll offer it here first once I figure out how to host some pictures. This was a rescue pre pandemic. The guy claimed he had it running "just a few months ago". Items currently on eBay: 1 - Force dBase Compiler with manuals and diskettes (apparently very rare) https://www.ebay.com/itm/254749018216 2 - VM/SP System Product Editor Command and Macro Reference manual https://www.ebay.com/itm/254655872859 3 - General Motors Report on Areas of Public Concern for 1972 and 1973 (some corporate history) https://www.ebay.com/itm/254755779216 4 - Bugbook I, II and III - TTL Logic projects (1974-5) - set of three books https://www.ebay.com/itm/254769040178 If you're interested, send email off list. Jim

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Raspberry pi 400 an Ode to Commodore
by Christian Liendo 04 Nov '20

04 Nov '20

On the Pi Blog I saw this part. https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/designing-raspberry-pi-400/ Ode to Commodore Finally, a bit of fun to finish with. On Christmas morning 1985, I opened the polystyrene box of a Commodore 64 computer and the world switched on for me. It had the best games and the best sound, and it was easy to program. We think the combination of gaming and programming still works today, but we’ve come a long way since 1985.

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VCF items at Swap Meet
by Jeffrey Brace 03 Nov '20

03 Nov '20

I would like everyone to keep in mind that VCF will also be selling off surplus items at the swap meet on Saturday. In addition to vintage computer items, we have the following items: VCF embroidered polos will also be available for $30 VCF embroidered baseball caps for $20 VCF 2019 and earlier t-shirts for $5 each. Note: There will be *no* 2020 t-shirts are available for sale. They are only available by mail order (in limited sizes) from our website: http://vcfed.org/wp/t-shirts/ -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Craigslist post
by Dave McGuire 03 Nov '20

03 Nov '20

On 11/3/20 6:02 PM, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > If it’s not objectionable to anybody it was I. So if it WAS objectionable to somebody, who did it? ;) (sorry, couldn't resist!) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Craigslist post
by Christian Liendo 03 Nov '20

03 Nov '20

I don't know who did this but it's a good idea https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/ele/d/belmar-vcf-swapmeet-am-stuff-have-…

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Swap Meet Reminder 11/7
by Jeffrey Brace 02 Nov '20

02 Nov '20

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 11:08 AM Bill Inderrieden via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > If you click on Jeff Brace's link, Google thinks you want to be in > the Tyrrhenian Sea !! > > 40°00'00.0"N 11°00'00.0"E Strange. Someone else mentioned that, I thought they were kidding. Not sure what is happening there. The link works for me and when I paste it in too. If I knew why it comes up incorrectly, then I could fix it. > > At first I thought Jeff is doing a little post Halloween spoof on us with > his dry wit, however if you interrogate the link, you will see: > > 40.1848834,-74.0652735 > > > which Google correctly identifies the coordinates as the Wall Twp > municipal lot across from Brookdale Community College, Wall Campus on > Monmouth Blvd. > So make sure your GPS's are correctly programmed for the above coordinates. > > AND DON'T END UP IN THE DRINK!! Yeah! > > Bill Inderrieden > > -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Swap meet talk
by Ethan O'Toole 02 Nov '20

02 Nov '20

I should have with me: SGI boards (Challenge S mez, S/Indy Proc module, some others) Sun boards (Just PCI FDDI IIRC) X86 boards (PCI/AGP 3dfx, other misc ISA/PCI cards) A few Apple II/Amiga software titles Maybe some Amiga accessories Maybe HP pen plotter Other goodies from huge box of stuff Would be interested in: Atari 800XL in box or just box ColecoVision box IMSAI compat 48K SBUS RAM board SE/30 or IIci Amiga 600 NTSC Agnus IC

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Swap Meet Reminder 11/7
by svcatitc＠aol.com 02 Nov '20

02 Nov '20

If you click on Jeff Brace's link, Google thinks you want to be in the Tyrrhenian Sea !! 40°00'00.0"N 11°00'00.0"E At first I thought Jeff is doing a little post Halloween spoof on us with his dry wit, however if you interrogate the link, you will see: 40.1848834,-74.0652735 which Google correctly identifies the coordinates as the Wall Twp municipal lot across from Brookdale Community College, Wall Campus on Monmouth Blvd. So make sure your GPS's are correctly programmed for the above coordinates. AND DON'T END UP IN THE DRINK!! Bill Inderrieden

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Museum Report 2020-11-01
by Jeffrey Brace 02 Nov '20

02 Nov '20

Despite being a constantly raining day we had a surprisingly number of visitors. About 10 to 20. Spread throughout the day. One high interest 5th grader who loved everything. I liked showing him how to count in binary with the flip counter. I showed him BASIC on the C64 as well as Centipede. And showed him Yoomp! on the Atari 1200XL. Many medium interest people. I updated the firmware to FujiNet, but ran out of time to test it. I tested out our new Professional Grade UPS that will be used with the Xerox Star and PDP-8. Also got Oregon trail for the C64. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Fixes and improvements to VCF website
by Tony Bogan 02 Nov '20

02 Nov '20

> I don't know why it produced an error, > but you and the unmentioned docent clearly did not understand the purpose of that link. It was for subscribing to the VCFed email newsletter, which I used to send about once a month, to VCFed's list of several thousand subscribers around the world. That's why the link is in the website header. The entirely separate link to the Mid-Atlantic discussion list was/is only on the Mid-Atlantic group page. So what you "fixed" was to kill access to the VCFed newsletter and instead post about the MA group ON THE ENTIRE WEBSITE HEADER not only on the MA group page <insert emoji for rolling eyes>. Evan, as always you’re there with good information. Of course, they couldn’t understand the purpose of the link because it didn’t work and when you left you did not pass any information about anything to anyone nor did you keep any records of consequence on anything. So perhaps a little understanding is called for. Thank you for letting us know what the purpose of the non working link was, that’s helpful information and something we can now deal with. While I’ve got you, in another discussion Jim Scheef asked about a Seattle Gazelle processor board that’s been missing for a couple years. Any thoughts where we should begin looking? Without any records or inventory telling us what’s where and who gave it to us, we’ve had to piece these things together slowly on our own. As I asked when you and I met back in April, Any help you can give would be great in this regard, and specifically for the processor board Jim has recently mentioned. Thanks in advance for your help with this, I hope to be able to tap the wealth of information you have as we continue to get better organized and expand. Tony

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