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we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Herb Johnson 15 Jan '20

15 Jan '20

I've read the discussion to date on this subject. I am at an age where the subject has some personal meaning to me. Here's some thoughts I have. "log in" or "log out" by Web search, is about access on a computer, people know about that. It seems to be derived from maintaining a "log", a paper account such as a ship's logbook. That appears to be based on "logging" distance in a "chip log" - ledgers of distance sailed measured by a log on-a-rope dragging in the water for a period of time. This is not from an authoritative reference. So: "logged out" has some reference to time and completion and record; it's not an abbreviation, and people know the phrase. So it works for me in some way. But I don't think I need a vote on the matter. People will speak in grief, as they are moved (or not). Phrases come and go in popularity. I think shared discussion leading to some amount of reflection and consensus, is sufficient. And one other thing. Jeff started this as "honoring pioneers"; the presumption by all is to honor them after they are deceased. Why not honor them BEFORE? We are at a point of history, where the "pioneers" of microprocessors and their systems are starting to "leave the planet" (the phrase I learned to use in the 1970's). Paying attention to their work NOW, when they can account for it, give details, seems like a good idea to me. I try to prove accounts on my Web site, about companies or products or people, who pioneered in the computers of interest to me. Some are from those persons, some are about those persons. As I said, the subject in this thread has some meaning to me. Regards, Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT info

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East Swag
by Glenn Roberts 15 Jan '20

15 Jan '20

Possibly coasters.? https://www.swagconnection.com/coasters.htm From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vcfed.org> On Behalf Of Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:08 AM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Sentrytv <sentrytv(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East Swag

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VCF East exhibit
by Mike Loewen 13 Jan '20

13 Jan '20

In light of this year's 6502 emphasis, I'll be exhibiting an HP 3000 Micro XE minicomputer from 1986, which of course has nothing to do with the 6502. :-) Different, larger system than last year, with monochrome and color graphics terminals and a 9-track tape drive. Classic 3000 architecture, running MPE/V. Mini collectors, who's with me? :-) Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Low Key Approach
by jsalzman＠gmail.com 13 Jan '20

13 Jan '20

He's just zoomed in very, very close on his successfully retrobrighted case. On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 1:47 PM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > I'm sure he's waiting for an offer > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > > > On Jan 13, 2020, at 1:27 PM, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > I like the low-key approach when selling on Ebay. This guy has a > > "Commodore Computer" for sale: > > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/commodore-computer/283696540539 > > > > $500. $250 shipping. > > > > I am sure it's great no need for photos, I trust you. > > > > Bill > >

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Low Key Approach
by Bill Degnan 13 Jan '20

13 Jan '20

I like the low-key approach when selling on Ebay. This guy has a "Commodore Computer" for sale: https://www.ebay.com/itm/commodore-computer/283696540539 $500. $250 shipping. I am sure it's great no need for photos, I trust you. Bill

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Exhibitors VCF East 2020 - Start planning your exhibits!
by Jeffrey Brace 13 Jan '20

13 Jan '20

VCF East 2020 is coming soon (Friday, Saturday, Sunday April 24-26, 2020) so start planning your exhibits now! The overall theme this year is *The 6502 Processor* in remembrance of Chuck Peddle and the 45th anniversary of its creation. In addition to 6502 themed exhibits, we need a wide array of topics beyond the 6502, as always. In related news, we are no longer charging exhibitor table fees to acknowledge the significant effort exhibitors put forth in creating and presenting exhibits that are vital to the success of the event! We will release the online Exhibitor Submission Form and the Exhibitor FAQ within a week and alert everyone when they are available. Please send me any questions or comments and I will share them with the Steering Committee. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East exhibit
by Jameel Akari 13 Jan '20

13 Jan '20

On 2020-01-12 22:41, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > While the underlying theme is 6502 this year for obvious reasons, I’m > looking forward to all of the “other” exhibits this year!! I love > seeing so many things I never knew about or had any real experience > with. It’s one of my favorite things about VCF East. Likewise, bring your weird stuff! I am not 100% decided yet but I think it's not going to be 6502-related. (just isn't a thing I really collect) >> On Jan 12, 2020, at 8:59 PM, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic >> <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >> In light of this year's 6502 emphasis, I'll be exhibiting an HP 3000 >> Micro XE minicomputer from 1986, which of course has nothing to do >> with the 6502. :-) Different, larger system than last year, with >> monochrome and color graphics terminals and a 9-track tape drive. >> Classic 3000 architecture, running MPE/V. >> >> Mini collectors, who's with me? :-) Mike, I have a random HP disk enclosure (SCSI, and I think HP hard drives) that look like that HP3000 which I'd be happy to rehome to you at some workshop. I've thought about doing one of my micro-sized RS/6000s but I've had enough of that between last VCF-East and UNIX50. I might do something that doesn't have vintage hardware at all. *gasp!* -- Jameel Akari

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] endearing term
by Jeffrey Jonas 12 Jan '20

12 Jan '20

I'm unsure a vote is required since we have essentially reached consensus. Evan is on the mark with "logged off" since that's a human action to end a computer session. Human interaction is implied. "signing off" might be a useful alternative, borrowing from the broadcast industry (and BBS?) "return from interrupt" or just plain return() is a wonderful TRON-like view of life as a subroutine. It implies that you've contributed something or performed some service to benefit others. "final exit" is also a good candidate, particularly with Unix/Linux process handling with process parent/child, process groups and the ever-loving zombie status. It kinda applies to actors too. ABORT or Program termination are just too close to euphemisms for death (or Bladerunners' "retirement" of replicants). ABEND means "abnormal end", more appropriate for a tragic or unexpected end. e.g. Robert Allen Pease abended, causing an industry double-panic with Jim Williams' simultaneous, umm, logging off. "EOL" (end of line) and "EOM" (end of message) are remnants of sync-terminals and TRON. It's more like "over", not "over and out". "offline"? I'm unsure about that. My perspective as a machine operator is that peripherals are put online/offline as needed. When I'm offline, I'm asleep or resting and might return later, not pining for the fjords. Perhaps there are other contexts where it feels appropriate. disconnected? Perhaps IRC users feel that way. link is permanently down? Only if you're a modem. "system shutdown" feels dehumanizing. I'm no Andy Rooney but that's my current state of mind on the matter -- jeff jonas

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Christian Liendo 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

I agree with "logged off" because it is the most human. It is something humans do. where as the shutdown commands are more technical and cold. I think Evan's "logged off" is the best so far.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Bill Degnan 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

> > I like "logged out" too

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