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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Bellmac 32 processor
by Jeffrey Jonas 28 May '25

28 May '25

The Bellmac-32 was probably the last CPU by AT&T Bell Labs / Western Electric, following the Bellmac-8, CRISP, Hobbit chips: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BELLMAC-8 https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/30350.30385 The hardware architecture of the CRISP microprocessor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Hobbit Photo of the MAC-8 and Bellmac 32: https://www.cpushack.com/2013/06/16/cpu-of-the-day-bell-labs-bellmac-8-aka-… I'm trying to find the MAC-8 article in the Bell System Technical Journal issue of February 1981 (Vol 60, number 2). It is NOT one of the selected papers from the BSTJ (Bell System Technical Journal) here: https://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/toc/bstj1980.html Here's something related: https://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/browse/bstj-archive https://archive.org/details/bstj57-6-2251/mode/2up BSTJ 57: 6. July-August 1978: UNIX Time-Sharing System: A Support Environment for MAC-8 Systems. (Rovegno, H.D.) A 32000 chip was on display in MARCH's CPU exhibit mostly for the unique package with pins that went thru the package. I chronicled some of the 32000 chip: http://ferretronix.com/tech/3b2/index.html MARCH has a 3b2/310 and 630 terminal. The Jerq/Blit/630/730 terminals were 68k based but the 5620 was 32100 based. Wikipedia seems correct with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blit_(computer_terminal) The Blit programmable bitmap graphics terminal was designed by Rob Pike and Bart Locanthi Jr. of Bell Labs in 1982. The Blit technology was commercialized by AT&T and Teletype. In 1984, the DMD (dot-mapped display) 5620 was released, followed by models 630 MTG (multi-tasking graphics) in 1987 and 730 MTG in 1989. The 5620 used a Western Electric 32100 processor (aka Bellmac 32) and had a 15" green phosphor display with 800 x 1024 x 1 resolution (66 x 88 characters in the initial text mode) interlaced at 30 Hz. The 630 and 730 had Motorola 68000 processors and a 1024 x 1024 x 1 monochrome display at 60 Hz (most had amber displays, but some had white or green displays).

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Bellmac 32 processor
by John Heritage 26 May '25

26 May '25

Hey folks - I was just curious if anyone had ever laid hands or if we've ever exhibited a Bellmac 32 processor (system)? Looking at specs, it may have been the first 32-bit microprocessor that was pipelined (one 32-bit instruction per clock). The chip also had a decent # of registers for 1980 (16 x 32-bit registers).

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OT - Bill D
by Martin A. Flynn 24 May '25

24 May '25

OT Pardon the bandwidth Bill D (the Bill D that helped with the lighting protectors on the Diana Site) - could email me? Martin Flynn

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Hardware loan/rental next week
by David Waybright 23 May '25

23 May '25

Hello, I live in cecil county, md. My friend lives in Harford county, Md. I work in Howard county, Md we have an event at ODT Studios, 89 Madison St, Newark, NJ 07105. We're looking for hardware that is easy to get to one of us or to the location we're having the event. Functional is preferred but open to hear what's out there. VT 05 from the 1970s And model 33 teletype ifrom the 1960s let me know what anyone may have to help us! Thanks, David Eugene Waybright CompTIA A+, NET+, & Security+ Technician Crestron Certified CIV-D Intelligent Video Designer & CIV-S Intelligent Video Specialist Crestron Certified Masters Technology Architect; Core, Flex, DMC-D-4K & E-4K, SCT-R & C, DCT-R & C, TCT-R & C AVMM Engineer; Audio & Shades Technician Extron Certified A/V Associate IT Operations & Secure Infrastructure Specialist Tesla Referral Code: https://ts.la/david55244 Please use my referral for a free demo drive, also $500 Off + 3 mo. FSD on Model 3 & Y, $1,000 Off + 3 mo. FSD on Model S & X, & $500 Off Solar TeslaFi Referral Code: https://www.teslafi.com/signup.php?referred=Dwaybright receive a one-month trial instead of two weeks. Tessie Referral Code: https://share.tessie.com/QpzcnbTb5yb receive one month free when you sign up. ChargePoint Home Pro, CPF25, CPF50, CPH50, CT4000, CP6000, OnRamp, Express 100, 200,& 250 Certified Technician [Image]<https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/0f52d73c69ad43ffb4490b6e75ed0de2…> Book time to meet with me<https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/0f52d73c69ad43ffb4490b6e75ed0de2…> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Donations requested TheA500Mini, TheSpectrum, TheVic20
by Jeffrey Brace 22 May '25

22 May '25

I've been using these modern implementations from retrogames.biz across the country at different shows to promote VCF: VCF SoCal, VCF MidWest, NJ Maker Day, World of Commodore, etc. I own these: TheC64, TheC4Mini, The400mini. So I lend them to VCF for events. Items like these are easy to transport and work with modern flat screens. So flying with them is easier than the original machines. VCF is looking for someone to donate the other ones that I don't have: TheA500Mini, TheSpectrum, TheVic20. If anyone is interested in donating them, then please let me know. They will be used at many events throughout the year for shows, makerfests, etc. Thanks! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF/MARCH Fundraising Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free.www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars!
by David Waybright 20 May '25

20 May '25

FYI to those asking about what cable to run. If permanent I would suggest CAT6a or 7 which would allow for multi uses of the runs! 10mb, 100mb, 1gb, or 10gb as well as regular POTS Analog Tip-Ring and even some PBX technologies like Nortel MICS. If temporary then run whatever you have the most of laying around! Thanks, David Eugene Waybright CompTIA A+, NET+, & Security+ Technician Crestron Certified CIV-E Intelligent Video Engineer, CIV-D Intelligent Video Designer & CIV-S Intelligent Video Specialist Crestron Certified Masters Technology Architect; Core, Flex, DMC-D-4K & E-4K, SCT-R & C, DCT-R & C, TCT-R & C AVMM Engineer; Audio & Shades Technician Extron Certified A/V Associate IT Operations & Secure Infrastructure Specialist Tesla Referral Code: https://ts.la/david55244 Please use my referral for a free demo drive, also $500 Off + 3 mo. FSD on Model 3 & Y, $1,000 Off + 3 mo. 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Today's Topics: 1. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) 2. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (N. Albert) 3. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Dave McGuire) 4. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (N. Albert) 5. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Dave McGuire) 6. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) 7. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (N. Albert) 8. Semi OT: looking for info on V25 SBC (Richard Cini) 9. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (N. Albert) 10. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) 11. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) 12. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (mzstock(a)earthlink.net) 13. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) 14. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) 15. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! (Dave McGuire) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 10:35:58 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <02af2e9f-9ea4-4f9f-8e59-b0f103fbb2e9(a)theflynn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: > On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ > > Have a thread open at > https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… > > > So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and > mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to the > main exhibition space in Building 9032A. > > Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) service > cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans Backbone, > however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed from CDL > (Building 9059) > > * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… > <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet…> > * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg > <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg> > > Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to provide > analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? No takers or interest??? ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 10:58:26 -0400 From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <792a1194-fa6d-d180-1b70-f6a3bbd3b30d(a)phreaknet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >> >> Have a thread open at >> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >> >> >> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to the >> main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >> >> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) service >> cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans Backbone, >> however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed from CDL >> (Building 9059) >> >> ? * >> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >> <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet…> >> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >> <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg> >> >> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to provide >> analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? > No takers or interest??? I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering what that was for! I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but unfortunately I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend Saturday. If someone else is able to do any needed wiring beforehand, I'm happy to help with setting up the box remotely if needed. I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll be on site? NA ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:01:37 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <abda09dc-e6bb-425e-aefe-81bfbb1c66ac(a)neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/25 10:58, N. Albert via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and BBSes. TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:04:54 -0400 From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <9019d934-6700-9bfb-b413-bb41ca1c8df2(a)phreaknet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 11:01 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > On 5/17/25 10:58, N. Albert via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and > > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank > > ? That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and > BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with analog phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that you just can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also uses real TDM at their conference and not SIP. (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related stuff in Asterisk nowadays.) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:11:11 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <fe9b2194-0939-4acb-88fc-4e4235c5700d(a)neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/25 11:04, N. Albert wrote: >> > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >> > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >> >> ? That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. > > That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with analog > phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that you just > can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also uses real > TDM at their conference and not SIP. Yep. I was going to stop short of saying "SIP is a steaming pile", but I'll go ahead and say it: "SIP is a steaming pile". > (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related stuff > in Asterisk nowadays.) Oh, very cool. I did some work for Digium (Solaris drivers for some PCI cards) about twenty years ago. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:12:14 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> To: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org>, vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <4da5970a-c74f-4639-b761-0f12edfa0698(a)theflynn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: > On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>> >>> Have a thread open at >>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>> >>> >>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to >>> the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>> >>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed >>> from CDL (Building 9059) >>> >>> ? * >>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>> >>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>> >>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to provide >>> analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >> No takers or interest??? > > I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering > what that was for! > > I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with > associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but unfortunately > I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend Saturday. If > someone else is able to do any needed wiring beforehand, I'm happy to > help with setting up the box remotely if needed. > > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, > using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason > T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll be > on site? Naveen, CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we offered to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we iron out the UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run the horizontal cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A.? VCF would need to address that as show set-up. Martin ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:31:26 -0400 From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <b0994d05-afe7-0954-da18-165bb7e36502(a)phreaknet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 11:11 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > On 5/17/25 11:04, N. Albert wrote: >>> > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>> > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >>> >>> ? That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >>> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. >> >> That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with >> analog phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that >> you just can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also >> uses real TDM at their conference and not SIP. > > ? Yep.? I was going to stop short of saying "SIP is a steaming pile", > but I'll go ahead and say it: "SIP is a steaming pile". +1 >> (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related >> stuff in Asterisk nowadays.) > > ? Oh, very cool.? I did some work for Digium (Solaris drivers for some > PCI cards) about twenty years ago. Neat! Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if DAHDI ran on anything besides Linux nowadays. DAHDI BSD hasn't been maintained in forever. Even on Linux, maintenance from the company has been basically nonexistent, I am doing basically all of it (and I don't work for Digium/Sangoma). The company has really gone downhill since Mark Spencer left to fly airplanes and they sold to Sangoma, they no longer have anyone on payroll that really understands the TDM stuff at all. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 15:26:18 +0000 From: Richard Cini <rich.cini(a)gmail.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Semi OT: looking for info on V25 SBC Message-ID: <DS7P223MB142458E6B401579F79C83941FB92A(a)DS7P223MB1424.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" All ? I know that there are some SBC and robotics people on-list so I thought I?d toss this question out there. I dug up an old project from the 1990?s that used a V25-based SBC from New Micros in Texas. There?s scant info available other than a 2-page spec sheet, but it seems that it ran Forth and a robotics ?monitor? from the Seattle Robotics Society. The former owner of NM passed away in 2020, so I thought I?d ask if anyone has a manual or schematics for the NMIT-0025 or NMIX-0025 boards (one version sat on a carrier board and the other was an ECB-sized board with a prototyping area). Here?s a link to the spec sheet (https://www.camelforth.com/e107_files/downloads/newmicros/product_datasheet…) If you go up the file tree, it looks like a great archive of New Micros stuff, but nothing on this board. I tried sending a message to the owner, but I get 403. So I tried to join the forum and that barfed too. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! Rich -- Rich Cini http://cini.classiccmp.org https://github.com/RichCini ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:46:40 -0400 From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> To: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org>, vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <113f8130-3d96-1893-5f64-7dd7f62b2a22(a)phreaknet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 11:12 AM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: > > On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>> >>>> Have a thread open at >>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>> >>>> >>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to >>>> the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>> >>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed >>>> from CDL (Building 9059) >>>> >>>> ? * >>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>> >>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>> >>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to >>>> provide analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>> No takers or interest??? >> >> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >> what that was for! >> >> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but unfortunately >> I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend Saturday. If >> someone else is able to do any needed wiring beforehand, I'm happy to >> help with setting up the box remotely if needed. >> >> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, >> using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason >> T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll >> be on site? > > Naveen, > > CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we offered > to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we iron out the > UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run the horizontal > cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A.? VCF would need to address > that as show set-up. Which location is 9032A on the map[1]? I can't remember where that is off hand. By resources, is the main constraint the cable itself or something else? How many tables need to be wired up and what's the size of the room? [1] https://vcfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/VCFE_2024_Location-Map.pdf ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:55:08 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> To: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org>, vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <9c411dfd-ca6d-4558-b187-8c7fcd76fd37(a)theflynn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 11:46 AM, N. Albert wrote: > On 5/17/2025 11:12 AM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >> >> On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>>> >>>>> Have a thread open at >>>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>>>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to >>>>> the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>>> >>>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and >>>>> fed from CDL (Building 9059) >>>>> >>>>> ? * >>>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>>> >>>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>>> >>>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to >>>>> provide analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>>> No takers or interest??? >>> >>> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >>> what that was for! >>> >>> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >>> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but >>> unfortunately I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend >>> Saturday. If someone else is able to do any needed wiring >>> beforehand, I'm happy to help with setting up the box remotely if >>> needed. >>> >>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, >>> using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason >>> T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll >>> be on site? >> >> Naveen, >> >> CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we >> offered to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we >> iron out the UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run >> the horizontal cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A. VCF would >> need to address that as show set-up. > > Which location is 9032A on the map[1]? I can't remember where that is > off hand. > By resources, is the main constraint the cable itself or something > else? How many tables need to be wired up and what's the size of the > room? > > [1] > https://vcfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/VCFE_2024_Location-Map.pdf Resources specifically reefers to running the horizontal cables from the furnace room to the tables / exhibits that need them, and removing them after VCF East (if not permanent and code compliant) Exhibit Setup and room size I would have to defer to Jeff Brace as the show-runner, 9032A is the big exhibit room closest to Marconi Road http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/infoage_building_number.jpg has them identified ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 12:43:27 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <6b404589-f3db-4199-9d8f-a805ff5b77ab(a)theflynn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 11:55 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > On 5/17/2025 11:46 AM, N. Albert wrote: >> On 5/17/2025 11:12 AM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>>> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>>>> Have a thread open at >>>>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>>>> >>>>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick >>>>>> and mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks >>>>>> adjacent to the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and >>>>>> fed from CDL (Building 9059) >>>>>> >>>>>> ? * >>>>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>>>> >>>>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to >>>>>> provide analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>>>> No takers or interest??? >>>> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >>>> what that was for! >>>> >>>> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >>>> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but >>>> unfortunately I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend >>>> Saturday. If someone else is able to do any needed wiring >>>> beforehand, I'm happy to help with setting up the box remotely if >>>> needed. >>>> >>>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, >>>> and using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - >>>> IMO, using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any >>>> reason T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly >>>> if it'll be on site? >>> >>> Naveen, >>> >>> CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we >>> offered to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we >>> iron out the UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run >>> the horizontal cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A. VCF would >>> need to address that as show set-up. >> >> Which location is 9032A on the map? I can't remember where that is >> off hand. >> By resources, is the main constraint the cable itself or something >> else? How many tables need to be wired up and what's the size of the >> room? >> >> https://vcfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/VCFE_2024_Location-Map.pdf > > Resources specifically refer to running the horizontal cables from the > furnace room to the tables / exhibits that need them, and removing > them after VCF East (if not permanent and code compliant) > > Exhibit Setup and room size I would have to defer to Jeff Brace as the > show-runner, > > 9032A is the big exhibit room closest to Marconi Road > > http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/infoage_building_number.jpg > has them identified If it turn out only one or two exhibitors need phone lines, I have a box of CISCO ATA191-3PW-K9 ATA that CDL set up for PoE, would be running network cable instead of analog voice to the exhibits.? With that said, would prefer to have an permanent asterisk switch on site. Martin ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 13:34:09 -0400 From: <mzstock(a)earthlink.net> To: "'vcf-midatlantic'" <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <00fc01dbc751$e7594fb0$b60bef10$(a)earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Pardon me for asking, but I'm not aware of some of your acronyms. What is TDM, SIP, and CMG with respect to this discussion. You've gotten my curiosity up, since I just heard that a local company here in the Dayton area has a pallet of Askersik phones that they are about to get rid of. Some are in original boxes that were never used. I was thinking we should get 4 or 6 to keep for our local computer museum project. Interesting discussion even though I have no experience in phone equipment. Michael Stock, Vice-President, Dayton Microcomputer Association (DMA) mzstock(a)earthlink.net Trustee, Dayton Microcomputer Association, Inc. an 501(c)3 non-profit www.dma1.org<http://www.dma1.org> -----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vcfed.org> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2025 11:11 AM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! On 5/17/25 11:04, N. Albert wrote: >> > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, >> > and using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >> >> That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >> BBSes. TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. > > That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with > analog phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that > you just can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also > uses real TDM at their conference and not SIP. Yep. I was going to stop short of saying "SIP is a steaming pile", but I'll go ahead and say it: "SIP is a steaming pile". > (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related > stuff in Asterisk nowadays.) Oh, very cool. I did some work for Digium (Solaris drivers for some PCI cards) about twenty years ago. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 14:44:49 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <a89f57b0-1ffd-424f-a72b-c53464ecced4(a)theflynn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 1:34 PM, Michael Stock via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Pardon me for asking, but I'm not aware of some of your acronyms. What is TDM, SIP, and CMG with respect to this discussion. > > You've gotten my curiosity up, since I just heard that a local company here in the Dayton area has a pallet of Askersik phones that they are about to get rid of. Some are in original boxes that were never used. > > I was thinking we should get 4 or 6 to keep for our local computer museum project. > > Interesting discussion even though I have no experience in phone equipment. > > > Michael Stock, Vice-President, Dayton Microcomputer Association (DMA) > mzstock(a)earthlink.net > Trustee, Dayton Microcomputer Association, Inc. an 501(c)3 non-profit > www.dma1.org<http://www.dma1.org> Michael, TDM (Time Division Multiplexing) Time Division Multiplexing (TDM) is a legacy method of transmitting multiple signals over a single communication channel by dividing the channel into distinct time slots, making best use of the empty spaces between other signals.? In this case, a method to squeeze 23/24 calls onto two pairs of wire (T1) CMG (Customer Media Gateway) service card provides IP services like TDM-to-IP voice conversion and routing n the ADIT600 series equipment SIP (Session Initiation Protocol) is a specific protocol used to manage the establishment, maintenance, and termination of VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) telephone calls. Re the IP phones:? Be aware that some are locked to a specific carrier, or cannot be used for SIP/VoIP without new firmware (looking at you Cisco!) Cheers, Martin ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 14:50:13 -0400 From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> To: Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <ab6b8349-0549-47b1-95f8-73bff5732b01(a)theflynn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/2025 11:01 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and > BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. Dave, If I can ask, what Linux are you running, what Asterisk release, and what channel bank? Since CDL / VCF is starting from scratch, it may be useful to go with a combination known to work. Cheers! Martin ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 01:02:23 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! Message-ID: <5b944e34-bfb3-4a8b-af60-11ad020a563e(a)neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/17/25 14:50, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. > > Dave, > > If I can ask, what Linux are you running, what Asterisk release, and > what channel bank? > > Since CDL / VCF is starting from scratch, it may be useful to go with a > combination known to work. The server is running Ubuntu 22.04LTS, running Asterisk 18.10.0. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA End of vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 84, Issue 15 ***********************************************

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Save the date Festivus - Dec. 13
by Jeffrey Brace 20 May '25

20 May '25

I know that it is months away, but some people need to know far in advance. So I'm reminding everyone that Festivus will be Dec. 13 in the same usual location. I will be letting everyone know details as we get closer. Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner VCF/MARCH Fundraising Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars!
by Dave McGuire 19 May '25

19 May '25

On 5/17/25 10:58, N. Albert via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and BBSes. TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Re: vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 84, Issue 16
by Jeffrey Golas 19 May '25

19 May '25

What about using a spare channel bank combined with iptubes devices and wifi bridge? Jeff > On May 19, 2025, at 8:00 AM, vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org wrote: > > Send vcf-midatlantic mailing list submissions to > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.vcfed.org/mailman/listinfo/vcf-midatlantic > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > vcf-midatlantic-owner(a)lists.vcfed.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of vcf-midatlantic digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (N. Albert) > 2. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (David Waybright) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 08:23:13 -0400 > From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <9c1645c0-b695-05bf-5265-568589cee178(a)phreaknet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/18/2025 1:02 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> On 5/17/25 14:50, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>> That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >>>> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. >>> >>> Dave, >>> >>> If I can ask, what Linux are you running, what Asterisk release, and >>> what channel bank? >>> >>> Since CDL / VCF is starting from scratch, it may be useful to go with >>> a combination known to work. >> >> ? The server is running Ubuntu 22.04LTS, running Asterisk 18.10.0. > > Anything recent is pretty much a combination known to work. Asterisk 18 > is already security fix only and very shortly end of life[1]. It should > be avoided in new installs. > > I would recommend just using Asterisk 22. There aren't really any > reasons to be concerned about newer versions of Asterisk anymore these > days, and there are new features and bug fixes in the more recent > versions. I say this as a developer aware of pretty much every Asterisk > change in recent years. Regressions happen time to time, but they are > just as likely to affect some arbitrary old version as a current > version, and if the former, they won't be fixed. > > You may also be interested in a tool I maintain[2] which automates the > installation of DAHDI/Asterisk (eliminating the excuse of not > upgrading), and also adds a bunch of additional features. > > [1] https://docs.asterisk.org/About-the-Project/Asterisk-Versions/ > [2] https://github.com/InterLinked1/phreakscript > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 11:39:55 +0000 > From: David Waybright <link(a)pt-solutions.org> > To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org" > <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: > <PH7PR11MB764104E308FE1D7AA91B00EEED9CA(a)PH7PR11MB7641.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > FYI to those asking about what cable to run. > > If permanent I would suggest CAT6a or 7 which would allow for multi uses of the runs! 10mb, 100mb, 1gb, or 10gb as well as regular POTS Analog Tip-Ring and even some PBX technologies like Nortel MICS. > > If temporary then run whatever you have the most of laying around! > > Thanks, > > > David Eugene Waybright > CompTIA A+, NET+, & Security+ Technician > Crestron Certified CIV-E Intelligent Video Engineer, CIV-D Intelligent Video Designer & CIV-S Intelligent Video Specialist > Crestron Certified Masters Technology Architect; Core, Flex, DMC-D-4K & E-4K, SCT-R & C, DCT-R & C, TCT-R & C AVMM Engineer; Audio & Shades Technician > Extron Certified A/V Associate > > IT Operations & Secure Infrastructure Specialist > > > Tesla Referral Code: https://ts.la/david55244 Please use my referral for a free demo drive, also $500 Off + 3 mo. 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Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) > 2. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (N. Albert) > 3. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Dave McGuire) > 4. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (N. Albert) > 5. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Dave McGuire) > 6. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) > 7. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (N. Albert) > 8. Semi OT: looking for info on V25 SBC (Richard Cini) > 9. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (N. Albert) > 10. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) > 11. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) > 12. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (mzstock(a)earthlink.net) > 13. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) > 14. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Martin A. Flynn) > 15. Re: Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 > mark your calendars! (Dave McGuire) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 10:35:58 -0400 > From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <02af2e9f-9ea4-4f9f-8e59-b0f103fbb2e9(a)theflynn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >> >> Have a thread open at >> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >> >> >> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to the >> main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >> >> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) service >> cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans Backbone, >> however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed from CDL >> (Building 9059) >> >> * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >> <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet…> >> * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >> <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg> >> >> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to provide >> analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? > No takers or interest??? > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 10:58:26 -0400 > From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <792a1194-fa6d-d180-1b70-f6a3bbd3b30d(a)phreaknet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>> >>> Have a thread open at >>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>> >>> >>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to the >>> main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>> >>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) service >>> cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans Backbone, >>> however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed from CDL >>> (Building 9059) >>> >>> ? * >>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>> <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet…> >>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>> <http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg> >>> >>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to provide >>> analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >> No takers or interest??? > > I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering what > that was for! > > I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with > associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but unfortunately > I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend Saturday. If someone > else is able to do any needed wiring beforehand, I'm happy to help with > setting up the box remotely if needed. > > I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and > using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, using > SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason T1s can't > be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll be on site? > > NA > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:01:37 -0400 > From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <abda09dc-e6bb-425e-aefe-81bfbb1c66ac(a)neurotica.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/25 10:58, N. Albert via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank > > That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and > BBSes. TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:04:54 -0400 > From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <9019d934-6700-9bfb-b413-bb41ca1c8df2(a)phreaknet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 11:01 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> On 5/17/25 10:58, N. Albert via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >> >> ? That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. > > That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with analog > phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that you just > can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also uses real > TDM at their conference and not SIP. > (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related stuff > in Asterisk nowadays.) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:11:11 -0400 > From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <fe9b2194-0939-4acb-88fc-4e4235c5700d(a)neurotica.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 5/17/25 11:04, N. Albert wrote: >>>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>>> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >>> >>> ? That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >>> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. >> >> That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with analog >> phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that you just >> can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also uses real >> TDM at their conference and not SIP. > > Yep. I was going to stop short of saying "SIP is a steaming pile", > but I'll go ahead and say it: "SIP is a steaming pile". > >> (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related stuff >> in Asterisk nowadays.) > > Oh, very cool. I did some work for Digium (Solaris drivers for some > PCI cards) about twenty years ago. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:12:14 -0400 > From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> > To: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org>, vcf-midatlantic > <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <4da5970a-c74f-4639-b761-0f12edfa0698(a)theflynn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > >> On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>> >>>> Have a thread open at >>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>> >>>> >>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to >>>> the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>> >>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed >>>> from CDL (Building 9059) >>>> >>>> ? * >>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>> >>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>> >>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to provide >>>> analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>> No takers or interest??? >> >> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >> what that was for! >> >> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but unfortunately >> I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend Saturday. If >> someone else is able to do any needed wiring beforehand, I'm happy to >> help with setting up the box remotely if needed. >> >> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, >> using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason >> T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll be >> on site? > > Naveen, > > CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we offered > to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we iron out the > UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run the horizontal > cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A.? VCF would need to address > that as show set-up. > > Martin > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:31:26 -0400 > From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <b0994d05-afe7-0954-da18-165bb7e36502(a)phreaknet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 11:11 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> On 5/17/25 11:04, N. Albert wrote: >>>>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>>>> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >>>> >>>> ? That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >>>> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. >>> >>> That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with >>> analog phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that >>> you just can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also >>> uses real TDM at their conference and not SIP. >> >> ? Yep.? I was going to stop short of saying "SIP is a steaming pile", >> but I'll go ahead and say it: "SIP is a steaming pile". > > +1 > >>> (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related >>> stuff in Asterisk nowadays.) >> >> ? Oh, very cool.? I did some work for Digium (Solaris drivers for some >> PCI cards) about twenty years ago. > > Neat! Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if DAHDI ran on anything besides > Linux nowadays. DAHDI BSD hasn't been maintained in forever. Even on > Linux, maintenance from the company has been basically nonexistent, I am > doing basically all of it (and I don't work for Digium/Sangoma). The > company has really gone downhill since Mark Spencer left to fly > airplanes and they sold to Sangoma, they no longer have anyone on > payroll that really understands the TDM stuff at all. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 15:26:18 +0000 > From: Richard Cini <rich.cini(a)gmail.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Semi OT: looking for info on V25 SBC > Message-ID: > <DS7P223MB142458E6B401579F79C83941FB92A(a)DS7P223MB1424.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > All ? > > I know that there are some SBC and robotics people on-list so I thought I?d toss this question out there. I dug up an old project from the 1990?s that used a V25-based SBC from New Micros in Texas. There?s scant info available other than a 2-page spec sheet, but it seems that it ran Forth and a robotics ?monitor? from the Seattle Robotics Society. The former owner of NM passed away in 2020, so I thought I?d ask if anyone has a manual or schematics for the NMIT-0025 or NMIX-0025 boards (one version sat on a carrier board and the other was an ECB-sized board with a prototyping area). Here?s a link to the spec sheet (https://www.camelforth.com/e107_files/downloads/newmicros/product_datasheet…) If you go up the file tree, it looks like a great archive of New Micros stuff, but nothing on this board. I tried sending a message to the owner, but I get 403. So I tried to join the forum and that barfed too. > > Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! > > Rich > > -- > Rich Cini > http://cini.classiccmp.org > https://github.com/RichCini > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:46:40 -0400 > From: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org> > To: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org>, vcf-midatlantic > <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <113f8130-3d96-1893-5f64-7dd7f62b2a22(a)phreaknet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 11:12 AM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >> >>> On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>>> >>>>> Have a thread open at >>>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>>>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to >>>>> the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>>> >>>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and fed >>>>> from CDL (Building 9059) >>>>> >>>>> ? * >>>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>>> >>>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>>> >>>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to >>>>> provide analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>>> No takers or interest??? >>> >>> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >>> what that was for! >>> >>> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >>> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but unfortunately >>> I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend Saturday. If >>> someone else is able to do any needed wiring beforehand, I'm happy to >>> help with setting up the box remotely if needed. >>> >>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, >>> using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason >>> T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll >>> be on site? >> >> Naveen, >> >> CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we offered >> to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we iron out the >> UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run the horizontal >> cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A.? VCF would need to address >> that as show set-up. > > Which location is 9032A on the map[1]? I can't remember where that is > off hand. > By resources, is the main constraint the cable itself or something else? > How many tables need to be wired up and what's the size of the room? > > [1] https://vcfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/VCFE_2024_Location-Map.pdf > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 11:55:08 -0400 > From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> > To: "N. Albert" <phreak(a)phreaknet.org>, vcf-midatlantic > <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <9c411dfd-ca6d-4558-b187-8c7fcd76fd37(a)theflynn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > >> On 5/17/2025 11:46 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 11:12 AM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>> >>> On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>>> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Have a thread open at >>>>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick and >>>>>> mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks adjacent to >>>>>> the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>>>> >>>>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and >>>>>> fed from CDL (Building 9059) >>>>>> >>>>>> ? * >>>>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>>>> >>>>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to >>>>>> provide analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>>>> No takers or interest??? >>>> >>>> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >>>> what that was for! >>>> >>>> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >>>> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but >>>> unfortunately I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend >>>> Saturday. If someone else is able to do any needed wiring >>>> beforehand, I'm happy to help with setting up the box remotely if >>>> needed. >>>> >>>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, and >>>> using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - IMO, >>>> using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any reason >>>> T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly if it'll >>>> be on site? >>> >>> Naveen, >>> >>> CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we >>> offered to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we >>> iron out the UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run >>> the horizontal cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A. VCF would >>> need to address that as show set-up. >> >> Which location is 9032A on the map[1]? I can't remember where that is >> off hand. >> By resources, is the main constraint the cable itself or something >> else? How many tables need to be wired up and what's the size of the >> room? >> >> [1] >> https://vcfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/VCFE_2024_Location-Map.pdf > > Resources specifically reefers to running the horizontal cables from the > furnace room to the tables / exhibits that need them, and removing them > after VCF East (if not permanent and code compliant) > > Exhibit Setup and room size I would have to defer to Jeff Brace as the > show-runner, > > 9032A is the big exhibit room closest to Marconi Road > > http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/infoage_building_number.jpg > has them identified > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 12:43:27 -0400 > From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <6b404589-f3db-4199-9d8f-a805ff5b77ab(a)theflynn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 11:55 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 11:46 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>> On 5/17/2025 11:12 AM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>> On 5/17/2025 10:58 AM, N. Albert wrote: >>>>> On 5/17/2025 10:35 AM, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>>> On 5/9/2025 8:23 PM, Martin A. Flynn wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/9/2025 12:00 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>>>>>> https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ >>>>>>> Have a thread open at >>>>>>> https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/analog-phone-lines-at-camp-evans-… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So the Usual Suspects at Camp Evans (the home of the VCF brick >>>>>>> and mortar museum) have racked the ADIT-600 channel banks >>>>>>> adjacent to the main exhibition space in Building 9032A. >>>>>>> Both are cross-connected to RJ-11 patch panels, and CMG (SIP) >>>>>>> service cards added. At the moment, they are on the Camp Evans >>>>>>> Backbone, however they could be isolated on their own fiber and >>>>>>> fed from CDL (Building 9059) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? * >>>>>>> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/F10_Adit_CMG_Card_Datasheet… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? * http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IMG_0489.jpeg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone interested in provisioning an Asterisk box locally to >>>>>>> provide analog dial tone during VCF East 2026?? >>>>>> No takers or interest??? >>>>> I think I remember seeing that a few weeks ago, and I was wondering >>>>> what that was for! >>>>> >>>>> I *would* do it, as I operate a number of Asterisk systems with >>>>> associated equipment and this is right up my alley, but >>>>> unfortunately I'm not local so I'd likely only be able to attend >>>>> Saturday. If someone else is able to do any needed wiring >>>>> beforehand, I'm happy to help with setting up the box remotely if >>>>> needed. >>>>> >>>>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, >>>>> and using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank - >>>>> IMO, using SIP will offer a significantly degraded experience. Any >>>>> reason T1s can't be run back to the Asterisk server, particularly >>>>> if it'll be on site? >>>> >>>> Naveen, >>>> >>>> CDL has an HP G4 workstation and Digium 5TE420 T1 card that we >>>> offered to rack in the 9032A furnace room (and will do so once we >>>> iron out the UPS issue) - what we do not have the resources to run >>>> the horizontal cables to the exhibit location? in 9032A. VCF would >>>> need to address that as show set-up. >>> >>> Which location is 9032A on the map? I can't remember where that is >>> off hand. >>> By resources, is the main constraint the cable itself or something >>> else? How many tables need to be wired up and what's the size of the >>> room? >>> >>> https://vcfed.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/VCFE_2024_Location-Map.pdf >> >> Resources specifically refer to running the horizontal cables from the >> furnace room to the tables / exhibits that need them, and removing >> them after VCF East (if not permanent and code compliant) >> >> Exhibit Setup and room size I would have to defer to Jeff Brace as the >> show-runner, >> >> 9032A is the big exhibit room closest to Marconi Road >> >> http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/infoage_building_number.jpg >> has them identified > > If it turn out only one or two exhibitors need phone lines, I have a box > of CISCO ATA191-3PW-K9 ATA that CDL set up for PoE, would be running > network cable instead of analog voice to the exhibits.? With that said, > would prefer to have an permanent asterisk switch on site. > > Martin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 13:34:09 -0400 > From: <mzstock(a)earthlink.net> > To: "'vcf-midatlantic'" <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <00fc01dbc751$e7594fb0$b60bef10$(a)earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Pardon me for asking, but I'm not aware of some of your acronyms. What is TDM, SIP, and CMG with respect to this discussion. > > You've gotten my curiosity up, since I just heard that a local company here in the Dayton area has a pallet of Askersik phones that they are about to get rid of. Some are in original boxes that were never used. > > I was thinking we should get 4 or 6 to keep for our local computer museum project. > > Interesting discussion even though I have no experience in phone equipment. > > > Michael Stock, Vice-President, Dayton Microcomputer Association (DMA) > mzstock(a)earthlink.net > Trustee, Dayton Microcomputer Association, Inc. an 501(c)3 non-profit > www.dma1.org<http://www.dma1.org> > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vcfed.org> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2025 11:11 AM > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Cc: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > > On 5/17/25 11:04, N. Albert wrote: >>>> I have a CMG card myself but haven't done anything much with it, >>>> and using TDM is really the proper way to set up a channel bank >>> >>> That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >>> BBSes. TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. >> >> That, and it's significantly more feature rich, when dealing with >> analog phones. There's a lot of cool stuff you can do with TDM that >> you just can't do with SIP. From what I understand, VCF Midwest also >> uses real TDM at their conference and not SIP. > > Yep. I was going to stop short of saying "SIP is a steaming pile", but I'll go ahead and say it: "SIP is a steaming pile". > >> (I'm also a bit biased, I'm the primarily developer of TDM related >> stuff in Asterisk nowadays.) > > Oh, very cool. I did some work for Digium (Solaris drivers for some PCI cards) about twenty years ago. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 14:44:49 -0400 > From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <a89f57b0-1ffd-424f-a72b-c53464ecced4(a)theflynn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 1:34 PM, Michael Stock via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> Pardon me for asking, but I'm not aware of some of your acronyms. What is TDM, SIP, and CMG with respect to this discussion. >> >> You've gotten my curiosity up, since I just heard that a local company here in the Dayton area has a pallet of Askersik phones that they are about to get rid of. Some are in original boxes that were never used. >> >> I was thinking we should get 4 or 6 to keep for our local computer museum project. >> >> Interesting discussion even though I have no experience in phone equipment. >> >> >> Michael Stock, Vice-President, Dayton Microcomputer Association (DMA) >> mzstock(a)earthlink.net >> Trustee, Dayton Microcomputer Association, Inc. an 501(c)3 non-profit >> www.dma1.org<http://www.dma1.org> > > Michael, > > TDM (Time Division Multiplexing) Time Division Multiplexing (TDM) is a > legacy method of transmitting multiple signals over a single > communication channel by dividing the channel into distinct time slots, > making best use of the empty spaces between other signals.? In this > case, a method to squeeze 23/24 calls onto two pairs of wire (T1) > > CMG (Customer Media Gateway) service card provides IP services like > TDM-to-IP voice conversion and routing n the ADIT600 series equipment > > SIP (Session Initiation Protocol) is a specific protocol used to manage > the establishment, maintenance, and termination of VoIP (Voice over > Internet Protocol) telephone calls. > > Re the IP phones:? Be aware that some are locked to a specific carrier, > or cannot be used for SIP/VoIP without new firmware (looking at you Cisco!) > > Cheers, > > Martin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 14:50:13 -0400 > From: "Martin A. Flynn" <maflynn(a)theflynn.org> > To: Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <ab6b8349-0549-47b1-95f8-73bff5732b01(a)theflynn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> On 5/17/2025 11:01 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. > > Dave, > > If I can ask, what Linux are you running, what Asterisk release, and > what channel bank? > > Since CDL / VCF is starting from scratch, it may be useful to go with a > combination known to work. > > Cheers! > > Martin > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 01:02:23 -0400 > From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT: Prep for VCF East 2026 > was: VCF East 2026 mark your calendars! > Message-ID: <5b944e34-bfb3-4a8b-af60-11ad020a563e(a)neurotica.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 5/17/25 14:50, Martin A. Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> That's the way we do it at LSSM for our internal dial-in pool and >>> BBSes.? TDM is so much simpler and free of hassle compared to SIP. >> >> Dave, >> >> If I can ask, what Linux are you running, what Asterisk release, and >> what channel bank? >> >> Since CDL / VCF is starting from scratch, it may be useful to go with a >> combination known to work. > > The server is running Ubuntu 22.04LTS, running Asterisk 18.10.0. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > > > End of vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 84, Issue 15 > *********************************************** > > > End of vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 84, Issue 16 > ***********************************************

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VCF East 2026 mark your calendars!
by Jeffrey Brace 17 May '25

17 May '25

https://vcfed.org/2025/04/28/vcf-east-2026-mark-your-calendars/ Take care! Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President VCF East Showrunner MARCH Fundraising Manager Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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