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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Apple II, North Carolina run go get it
by Jonathan Sturges 09 Aug '19

09 Aug '19

Tony, Thanks, that’s a big help! I’ll ask for more pix. Am I hoping for S/N below 60k? And what P/Ns would be silk-screened on a desirable II board? thanks, Jonathan > On Aug 9, 2019, at 12:00 PM, vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org wrote: > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 17:06:45 -0400 > From: Tony Bogan <thebogans(a)mac.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Apple II, North Carolina run go get it > Message-ID: <BD4B4A0E-09A0-4563-A5AA-512CBD018FD0(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > >> Tony and Corey can give better answers, but the short version is: yes. >> Straight IIs are going for four figures, sometimes five for the best among >> them. >> >> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 3:46 PM Jonathan Sturges via vcf-midatlantic < >> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >> >>> Honest question (I?m not an Apple II guy), is that a fair price if fully >>> functional? > > Honestly if it?s truly an original II it?s a decent price regardless of what vintage it is. > > Without being able to see the bottom plate and the inside, there?s no way to know if it?s an early II that just had the keyboard replaced (was very common) a late/later model II that may have the red and white serial label (serial number ~60,000 and higher) or an Apple II+ with an Apple II lid (also not uncommon in today?s world) > > More info is needed before any real determination can be made, but unless it?s a II+ with a II lid/badge, then the price can be good to excellent depending on what?s inside/underneath. > > If it?s a II+ with a II lid the price is high. > > Tony >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] AT&T Dataphone - Modem or "Service"?
by Jeffrey Jonas 08 Aug '19

08 Aug '19

The short-short of it: citing http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/att/000-111_ATT_Documentation_Guide_Nov87.pdf Dataphone is a registered trademark of AT&T I saw the Dataphone label on all sorts of modems: SDLC, async, dialup and probably leased line as well. Citing Justin Jernigan's posting > It was a Service, appears to still be, > though likely no longer actively sold. > It's one of the first digital services tariffed by the telephone companies ... > This was pre-divestiture, so service and equipment were "one" Set the wayback machine to 1976 (the US Bicentennial). "Ma Bell" was a regulated monopoly, personified in many ways, most memorably Lily Tomlin's character Ernestine the switchboard operator. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Tomlin But internally, Bell System folks were extremely proud of their work, creating and maintaining "the best phone service in the world". You were not allowed to own phone equipment: it was all leased thus all the Western Electric phones saying "not for sale". Add an extension phone and you'd get a "service call" to force you to disconnect it. Even after-market equipment was forbidden, such as the "name caller" auto-dialer (which pulse-dialed numbers you filled onto a plastic belt with an electrographic pencil). New York City high schools all had an IBM RJE (remote job entry) terminal: card reader and line printer, to a modem the operator had to manually dial with a rotary phone (no smart modems, yet!). At the other end was an IBM 360/370 running HASP or JES for batch jobs. As to the rack of modems the Original Poster remembers: that's probably intended for the receiving end: answer-only or answer-mostly mode. UUCP was the only way I was aware of AT&T hardware weirdness where the dialer was separate from the modem. -- jeff jonas

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Re: AT&T Dataphone - Modem or "Service"?
by Jeff G 08 Aug '19

08 Aug '19

Thanks Jeff/Neil/others! Yeah I did some more research myself and it seems that it was basically a brand for all the various lines and hardware. There was a monitoring service offered as well (wonders just how much you can monitor a line at 2400 baud) under the same brand name. I'll have to post some pictures sometime - I have/had a ton of the outlet strips from those server cabinets, and my uncle got a bunch of the aluminum paneling from the front doors of the cabinets (some silver some wood grained) that he used around his house that is still there (complete with logos). And as a side note - I found an interesting tidbit about a Dataphone modem having kill someone due to a failing capacitor: http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/articleview.php?item=111 (I definitely remember seeing these in the piles amongst all the dataphone stuff, but most of the stuff in the server cabinets were the smaller modem units). Jeff (aka Bags)

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Apple II, North Carolina run go get it
by Evan Koblentz 08 Aug '19

08 Aug '19

>> Honest question (I’m not an Apple II guy), is that a fair price if fully functional? Tony and Corey can give better answers, but the short version is: yes. Straight IIs are going for four figures, sometimes five for the best among them. On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 3:46 PM Jonathan Sturges via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Honest question (I’m not an Apple II guy), is that a fair price if fully > functional? > > > On Aug 8, 2019, at 12:00 PM, vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org > wrote: > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 10:19:10 -0400 > > From: Christian Liendo <cliendo(a)gmail.com> > > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > > Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Apple II, North Carolina run go get it > > Message-ID: > > <CAA9iAfto0i2KxWqiu1NZUF6vSEA2pb00fFsEhKhccA8B6_MEYA(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > > https://fayetteville.craigslist.org/sys/d/spring-lake-apple-ii-computer/694… > >

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Re: Apple II, North Carolina run go get it
by Jonathan Sturges 08 Aug '19

08 Aug '19

Honest question (I’m not an Apple II guy), is that a fair price if fully functional? > On Aug 8, 2019, at 12:00 PM, vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org wrote: > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 10:19:10 -0400 > From: Christian Liendo <cliendo(a)gmail.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Apple II, North Carolina run go get it > Message-ID: > <CAA9iAfto0i2KxWqiu1NZUF6vSEA2pb00fFsEhKhccA8B6_MEYA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > https://fayetteville.craigslist.org/sys/d/spring-lake-apple-ii-computer/694…

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Random thought: VCF East clones exhibit
by Evan Koblentz 08 Aug '19

08 Aug '19

I'm not sure if this has been done, other than for specific brands (mainly Apple II/Mac): someone should make a whole exhibit (or arrange a team exhibit) exclusively for vintage clones (not modern replicas).

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Museum report
by Evan Koblentz 07 Aug '19

07 Aug '19

Modest day; a few families came through. I talked to our neighbors in the train group about relocating the hallway TV that hangs from the ceiling, so it would be in a more visible spot. Pulled out some overgrowth that was in front of our warehouse door. Evan Koblentz Executive Director, Vintage Computer Federation evan(a)vcfed.org / (646) 546-9999 www.vcfed.org @vcfederation

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Aug and Sep Workshop dates?
by Andrew Diller 06 Aug '19

06 Aug '19

Florida has fried my brain. What are the dates for Aug and September workshops? -andy

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] At&t Dataphone - Modem or "Service"?
by jaj＠totallyamused.com 06 Aug '19

06 Aug '19

It was a Service, appears to still be, though likely no longer actively sold. It's one of the first digital services tariffed by the telephone companies (started in 1973.) Started as "Digital Data Service" but was renamed by AT&T as "Dataphone Digital Service". Both voice and data transmission are serviced at speeds from 2.4 to 56Kbps. This was pre-divestiture, so service and equipment were "one", I recall in the early 80s having a "modem" that had Dataphone on the front and the Bell System logo, but it wasn't an analog device -- or didn't work with POTS lines. >On 8/6/19 4:26 PM, Jeff G via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > >Data-Phone (Dataphone) were a series of product that allowed devices >(often computers but I don't know it if was limited to computers) to communicate >across the telephone network. The earlier versions are not the familiar modems >we had in the BBS error but were built for channelized T1, switched 56 and other >AT&T services. I don't recall any service with the name Dataphone but I didn't >do AT&T data services until the late 1980's/1990s. I recall seeing X25 switches >and various DSUs with Dataphone. In the 80's I also seeing Dataphone on some >Paradyne modems.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Second time in a week: CL find...
by Andrew Diller 06 Aug '19

06 Aug '19

Was it pulled because someone here at VCF contacted him? Or pulled for some unknown reason? Was that a special Apple II? -andy > On Aug 6, 2019, at 8:14 PM, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > From: Sentrytv <sentrytv(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Second time in a week: CL find... > Date: August 6, 2019 at 8:14:46 PM EDT > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > > > "The posting has been deleted by its author" > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > >> On Aug 6, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >> >> https://nwct.craigslist.org/atq/d/morris-1977-apple-ii/6949597024.html >> >> Can one of our local Apple II experts tell anything about the revision >> number based on the pictures? > > >

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