November 2015 - vcf-midatlantic

Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Can you see me?
by Ian Primus 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Yes, I can see you. On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tony Bogan <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> > To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org" < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> > Cc: > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 05:44:51 -0800 > Subject: Can you see me? > > Ok, kinda feel like the Whos from Horton Hears a Who. > > "We are here! We are here!" > > So can anyone see this? > Tony > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0> > >

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Can you see me?
by Tony Bogan 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] More Pest Toast then, thx for the failure feedback
by Dan Roganti 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tony Bogan <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> > To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org" < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> > Cc: > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:04:15 -0800 > Subject: RE: [vcf-midatlantic] More Pest Toast then, thx for the failure > feedback > > this one is Blank on my end But even looking at the source for Tony's email it's still encoded gibberish no plain message text at all -- at least with the others there was plain message text in the source see below Delivered-To: ragooman(a)gmail.com Received: by 10.28.33.5 with SMTP id h5csp2175833wmh; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.194.5 with SMTP id p5mr44141493qha.84.1446602828694; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Received: from www.mailmanlists.us (deusmachina.io. 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List support, another update
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

1:45AM ET -- Heard back from the support people. They created a new list, on the same server as ours, using the the same settings -- and they were unable to replicate our problem. Below is the message they sent me verbatim: ================================== Hi Evan, After running the test list on the server you are on, I've set the following on your list - so that it matches what we used on the test list. ****************** Content filtering: Should Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part content? (Edit collapse_alternatives) YES Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. (Edit convert_html_to_plaintext) NO ***************** We tested sending HTML emails and plain text emails, and used several email programs to check reception. In every case, the subject and message body is showing as correct. In short, we haven't been able to replicate the issue as described. Mail sending and reception tested on: Thunderbird Alpine SquirrelMail Roundcube Gmail.com Yahoo.com AOL.com There is nothing in the log files reporting errors on your list. So at this point we are none the wiser as to why this is only happening for users on your list. A last ditch effort would be to remove your list completely, and create a new one. This would just be voodoo if it made any difference at all - as there is nothing logical about why that would make a difference. Before we do that though, you may want to try one last message to the list to test the change I made. I suspect all your members are getting fed up with test messages.

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List failures, and another test
by Ian Primus 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Looking back through the messages that I got last night... seems that I'm missing a lot of them. I have replys to messages that I never got the original to. And I'm seeing a lot of blank messages too. Also, I don't seem to get copies of my own messages from the list, either. -Ian

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another list support update
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Got this message from support: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Hi Evan, This is a new one for us. The recent upgrade to Mailman 2.1.20 has thrown a few curved balls. We spinning up a new test list just now, on the server that you are on, to confirm that it's not happening system wide. We're also going to be testing on a few different email applications to see if there is a problem there. My apologies for the grief. And I hope to have a resolution in the next couple of hours.

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More pest toasting
by Mike Loewen 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Every message I see posted by Tony Bogan is empty. Pasted below are the message headers, minus the first batch of received headers. There are always two parts: a RFC822 part, with lots of headers but no body, and a text/plain part which is completely empty. My email client is alpine. Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org" <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> In-Reply-To: <430bfb03-e9c2-48fe-8295-49114d23da04(a)snarc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <mailman.22.1446605462.1696.vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> List-Id: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic.lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> List-Post: <mailto:vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> From: Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Precedence: list Cc: Tony Bogan <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org List-Subscribe: <http://lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org/mailman/listinfo/vcf-midatlantic>, <mailto:vcf-midatlantic-request@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org/mailman/options/vcf-midatlantic>, <mailto:vcf-midatlantic-request@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org/pipermail/vcf-midatlantic/> Reply-To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> List-Help: <mailto:vcf-midatlantic-request@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org?subject=help> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Georgr Boole's Birthday 200 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Errors-To: vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org Sender: "vcf-midatlantic" <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 03:51:02 +0100 (CET) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 192.168.202.1 Parts/Attachments: 1 Shown 3.5 KB Message, "Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Georgr Boole's Birthday 200" 1.1 Shown 1 lines Text ---------------------------------------- [ Part 1: "Included Message" ] Return-Path: <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> X-Original-To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org Delivered-To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org Received: from nm44-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm44-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.87.29]) by www.mailmanlists.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C45952E589 for <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org>; 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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Unsure Re: Georgr Boole's Birthday 200
by Evan Koblentz 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

I am seeing Tony's emails as blank. Aaaaaarrgggghhhh all I wanted was a mailing list

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Heard back from the list provider
by Evan Koblentz 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Heard back from the list provider (it's morning where they are in Australia). They joined our list and will watch some of the traffic tonight, so as to see the problem firsthand. (Hi list provider people!)

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Georgr Boole's Birthday 200
by Duane 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

All, Not your analog George but the one you learned about in your computer class George Boole's Birthday Duane

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