September 2020 - vcf-midatlantic

Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East Swap Meet - Save the Date - Saturday November 7 (Rain: Sunday November 8)
by Evan Koblentz 13 Sep '20

13 Sep '20

>> you can’t Poopoo the idea, since this is the first time we actually are going to have it. I didn't poopoo the concept, I replied to the comment that accused me of being against all swap meets, because that was out of context. I was against a swap meet * during VCF East * because it would have hurt the main attraction of the show.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East Swap Meet - Save the Date - Saturday November 7 (Rain: Sunday November 8)
by Andrew Diller 13 Sep '20

13 Sep '20

I thought the swap meet in the big room was an awesome addition to Festivus. It was very popular as a lot of things moved and the light show was really cool. There is room for a triad of yearly 'big' events at InfoAge for VCF: 1. Festival 2. Festivus 3. Swapmeet -andy > On Sep 13, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > I would like people who participated in that event to weigh in and voice their opinion, > if that mini-swap meet was good or not? >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East Swap Meet - Save the Date - Saturday November 7 (Rain: Sunday November 8)
by Alexander Pierson 13 Sep '20

13 Sep '20

I'm going to have to concur with Evan's concern of swapmeets taking precedence over established VCF activities should they coincide with one another, in that I would not like to see that element overshadow the show aspect. I would be most disappointed to see the event's focus shift to sales of items. However, for quite a few years now, I've seen many exchanges of equipment already happen at a VCF outside of the scope of the consignment room. Pre-arranged private exchanges are commonplace at our events, and they're an inescapable element of what we do as a hobby. Heck, an open swap meet was even sanctioned at Festivus, but that's not in the middle of a Festival. Seeing as we are in the middle of a pandemic, I don't imagine the turnout for such a swapmeet is going to be all that much different from a workshop. You'll have your few dedicated folks who can take the time to haul some stuff over, but that's about it. The draw of a large yearly event (Festival or Festivus) brings people from far and wide to visit with their fellow hobbyists, so people feel if they're making the trip for that, might as well load up the car with spare goodies and find a better home for some of it. Don't treat the turnout for such an event as a litmus test of a normal year. Cautious folks such as myself will simply wait it out for fairer health climates (you're welcome to call me overly cautious, I don't care). tl;dr: bigger events are great, but not if they're changing why we meet in the first place. -Alexander 'Z' Pierson On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 03:30:50 PM EDT, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: Evan There is no doubt that everybody has a right to their opinion. You and I had this conversation as well. I believe that a swap meet is a good thing and besides you can’t Poopoo the idea, since this is the first time we actually are going to have it. We’ll give it a try and if it doesn’t work out we don’t have it again. Certainly can’t hurt to try. Besides because everybody’s been locked up inside, no Hamfest, no swapmeets, people are Jonesin’ for a swap meet! Mike Rosen Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > On Sep 13, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Evan Koblentz <evan(a)snarc.net> wrote: > > >>> In years past, I pushed for a swap meet with previous management but the response was "It would be too much like a hamfest and hamfests are dying". > > That's out of context. > > Several people in the group asked for a swap meet * during * VCF East. I declined, because many of these people wanted to have a swap meet table instead of exhibiting. That would have damaged the exhibit hall and replaced much of it with something attractive only to people who are already in the hobby. > > It would have contributed to shrinking the hobby. My goal was to grow the hobby by introducing it to the public. > > Consignment was a (very successful) compromise. It let everyone sell stuff without taking away from the exhibit hall and also making some extra money for the group. > > I was right about that, and I was right about hamfests. How many families and kids excitedly go to a hamfest? Swapmeets are incestuous, and that makes communities wither and go extinct. > > You're able to have a swapmeet this year only because management is not bogged down running the real show. > > VCF's success is because of my earlier decisions, not in spite of them. > > > > > > >>> On Sep 13, 2020, Jeff Galinat via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >> Hi Adam, >> Excellent! Even though I am a little bummed as I live in AZ now instead >> of NJ, this is great news! Swap meets have been a large part of the >> vintage >> computer and ham radio communities for years. I still find occasional >> vintage computer items at hamfests but a vintage computer swap meet >> would >> be great for the hobby. In years past, I pushed for a swap meet with >> previous management but the response was "It would be too much like a >> hamfest and hamfests are dying". >> One of the largest draws for TCF was the flea market and I had many >> great >> finds over the years but they effectively killed the flea market by >> moving >> it in to a small room. >> I still have a good amount of vintage equipment in NJ so maybe I can >> participate in a future event if it happens next year. >> Best of luck with the event, >> Jeff >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 9:32 AM Adam Michlin via vcf-midatlantic < >> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> Alas, there will be no consignment at our hybrid VCF East coming up, >> but >>> we have decided to try something new and have an *outdoor* Swap Meet. >>> Vendors (which can be individuals) will be able to rent space and >> people >>> will be able to attend the event for the very modest fee of $5. All >> VCF >>> surplus will also be on sale at this event. >>> DATE: Saturday, November 7, with Rain Date Sunday, November 8 >>> TIME: 9AM TO 6PM >>> Location: InfoAge, 2201 Marconi Road Wall, NJ 07719 >>> $20 for vendors for first space, $10 for each additional space. 4 >> spaces >>> max - BRING YOUR OWN TABLES/BLANKETS/WHATEVER >>> $5 for admissions for general public >>> We want to emphasize this will be an *outdoor* event >> I'm particulary excited about this because, back in the 1990s, my first >>> stint (habit, if you prefer) of vintage computer collecting was >>> supported by attending regular computer swap meets in Silicon Valley >> at >>> De Anza College and Lawrence Livermore Labs. The enthusiam at >>> consignment each year tells me we are ripe to bring something like >> this >>> back on a regular basis, but, of course, COVID make things trickier >> than >>> usual. >>> Best wishes, >>> -Adam

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East Swap Meet - Save the Date - Saturday November 7 (Rain: Sunday November 8)
by Sentrytv 13 Sep '20

13 Sep '20

Evan There is no doubt that everybody has a right to their opinion. You and I had this conversation as well. I believe that a swap meet is a good thing and besides you can’t Poopoo the idea, since this is the first time we actually are going to have it. We’ll give it a try and if it doesn’t work out we don’t have it again. Certainly can’t hurt to try. Besides because everybody’s been locked up inside, no Hamfest, no swapmeets, people are Jonesin’ for a swap meet! Mike Rosen Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > On Sep 13, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Evan Koblentz <evan(a)snarc.net> wrote: > > >>> In years past, I pushed for a swap meet with previous management but the response was "It would be too much like a hamfest and hamfests are dying". > > That's out of context. > > Several people in the group asked for a swap meet * during * VCF East. I declined, because many of these people wanted to have a swap meet table instead of exhibiting. That would have damaged the exhibit hall and replaced much of it with something attractive only to people who are already in the hobby. > > It would have contributed to shrinking the hobby. My goal was to grow the hobby by introducing it to the public. > > Consignment was a (very successful) compromise. It let everyone sell stuff without taking away from the exhibit hall and also making some extra money for the group. > > I was right about that, and I was right about hamfests. How many families and kids excitedly go to a hamfest? Swapmeets are incestuous, and that makes communities wither and go extinct. > > You're able to have a swapmeet this year only because management is not bogged down running the real show. > > VCF's success is because of my earlier decisions, not in spite of them. > > > > > > >>> On Sep 13, 2020, Jeff Galinat via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >> Hi Adam, >> Excellent! Even though I am a little bummed as I live in AZ now instead >> of NJ, this is great news! Swap meets have been a large part of the >> vintage >> computer and ham radio communities for years. I still find occasional >> vintage computer items at hamfests but a vintage computer swap meet >> would >> be great for the hobby. In years past, I pushed for a swap meet with >> previous management but the response was "It would be too much like a >> hamfest and hamfests are dying". >> One of the largest draws for TCF was the flea market and I had many >> great >> finds over the years but they effectively killed the flea market by >> moving >> it in to a small room. >> I still have a good amount of vintage equipment in NJ so maybe I can >> participate in a future event if it happens next year. >> Best of luck with the event, >> Jeff >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 9:32 AM Adam Michlin via vcf-midatlantic < >> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> Alas, there will be no consignment at our hybrid VCF East coming up, >> but >>> we have decided to try something new and have an *outdoor* Swap Meet. >>> Vendors (which can be individuals) will be able to rent space and >> people >>> will be able to attend the event for the very modest fee of $5. All >> VCF >>> surplus will also be on sale at this event. >>> DATE: Saturday, November 7, with Rain Date Sunday, November 8 >>> TIME: 9AM TO 6PM >>> Location: InfoAge, 2201 Marconi Road Wall, NJ 07719 >>> $20 for vendors for first space, $10 for each additional space. 4 >> spaces >>> max - BRING YOUR OWN TABLES/BLANKETS/WHATEVER >>> $5 for admissions for general public >>> We want to emphasize this will be an *outdoor* event >> I'm particulary excited about this because, back in the 1990s, my first >>> stint (habit, if you prefer) of vintage computer collecting was >>> supported by attending regular computer swap meets in Silicon Valley >> at >>> De Anza College and Lawrence Livermore Labs. The enthusiam at >>> consignment each year tells me we are ripe to bring something like >> this >>> back on a regular basis, but, of course, COVID make things trickier >> than >>> usual. >>> Best wishes, >>> -Adam

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East Swap Meet - Save the Date - Saturday November 7 (Rain: Sunday November 8)
by Adam Michlin 13 Sep '20

13 Sep '20

Rather that directly respond to the thread, I want to take this opportunity to remind everyone that if you feel the Steering Committee is going in a good direction, or a bad direction, now is the time to think about running for the two open Steering Committee positions that will very soon be up for election (Tony Bogan's and mine. I'm not running because I now live in South Carolina. If Tony doesn't run, I'm going to fly up and dump all his Apple IIs off his boat - don't think I'm joking and, yes, I know I'll be forcibly joining them in the ocean!). Details of the Steering Committee By Laws and election logistics are literally being worked on right now and will be posted as soon as possible. Please consider being a candidate if you think Swap Meets are a good idea! Please consider being a candidate if you think Swap Meets are a bad idea! Heck, consider being a candidate if you don't care one bit either way about Swap Meets! -Adam On 9/13/2020 3:30 PM, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Evan > There is no doubt that everybody has a right to their opinion. > > You and I had this conversation as well. > > I believe that a swap meet is a good thing and besides you can’t Poopoo the idea, > since this is the first time we actually are going to have it. > We’ll give it a try and if it doesn’t work out we don’t have it again. > Certainly can’t hurt to try. > > Besides because everybody’s been locked up inside, no Hamfest, no swapmeets, people are Jonesin’ for a swap meet! > > Mike Rosen

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Even our Xerox Star hates 2020
by Adam Michlin 13 Sep '20

13 Sep '20

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFE2PegnExs/ And, BTW, it lives! Thanks to David Gesswein, Ian Primus, an anonymous mouse donor found with the help of CHM, DigiBarn's scanned pdfs of the required *custom mouse pad* (which you can print... *phew*), and a whole bunch of other people. Federation! Lots more content on the way.

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VCF MidWest Watch Party Tomorrow @ CDL (InfoAge)
by Jeffrey Brace 11 Sep '20

11 Sep '20

I will setup the projector, screen and my laptop for a watch party during our workshop tomorrow. Looks like MidWest starts at 10:45AM Eastern Time. Any objections? -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Breakfast Order for Repair Workshop 9/13 Sunday morning
by svcatitc＠aol.com 11 Sep '20

11 Sep '20

I did a review of what happened concerning last workshop's Sunday breakfast. I got the revised order from Jeff, however someone signed up last minute on the Google list, leaving one breakfast sandwich short with the order on Sunday morn. This is no one's fault, and my apologies to Alex J. for going hungry and signals crossed.. To alleviate this problem this weekend, I will only use the Google list and will view it finally by 11pm on Saturday night. Insure that your B'fast orders are in by then, After 11pm, I will not look back. Bill Inderrieden

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Need monitor for workshop
by Jeffrey Brace 11 Sep '20

11 Sep '20

Someone new (Doug Megill) to the workshop would like to know if anyone coming to the workshop has a monitor that works with a SGI Octane2 and a Sun Ultra 60 that both need help. We might have this in the VCF warehouse, but I would need to know model to see if we have one. Can anyone tell me?-- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Breakfast Order for Repair Workshop 9/13 Sunday morning
by Jeffrey Brace 11 Sep '20

11 Sep '20

*Sunday Morning 9/13 at 10AM*: Bagel order from Delicious Bagels ( https://www.deliciousbagelspointpleasant.com/) If you are interested then fill out order here: < https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MR8t6lHGraOwd5NiQA0oGzm-GauVQA5j6-a… > Breakfast isn't free, you *must* pay Bill Inderrieden on Sunday. Last time someone took Alex order and didn't pay. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783 -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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