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VCF 2020 T-SHIRT DEADLINE
by Jeffrey Brace 22 Sep '20

22 Sep '20

This is your last chance to get a VCF 2020 t-shirt. If you want a VCF 2020 t-shirt you have until Wednesday 9/23 to let me know. I'm doing an order for in-person pickup. Send me an e-mail size, color, quantity. Cost for t-shirts is $20. Then I will send you a PayPal invoice. They come in Amber or Green. You can look here for pictures of them here: http://vcfed.org/wp/t-shirts You can still have them delivered to you while supplies last from here: http://vcfed.org/wp/t-shirts. Cost is $20 + shipping. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT
by Tony Bogan 21 Sep '20

21 Sep '20

Weird. I see the HealthKit group, the thread about the person selling the stuff has 15 comments, 2 shares and 36 likes on it. Opens right up in The Facebook app on my phone. I did not try it on a desktop but if you’re logged into Facebook id imagine it would do the same thing. Tony Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Bob Aviles via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > <mime-attachment>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Slightly OT
by Bob Aviles 21 Sep '20

21 Sep '20

Link broken. Bobby On Sunday, September 20, 2020, 10:57:37 PM EDT, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: Shows up for me. Tony Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2020, at 10:41 PM, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 8:46 PM Martin Flynn via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >> Heathkit Estate Lot $1,200.00 >> >> My dad collected over the years when he passed away we found out just >> how much stuff he had. >> Things I know for sure >> 3 oscilloscopes >> 20+ trainers >> Manuals >> Trainer Binders >> Kits >> Unbuilt inbox trainers >> So many to list.. i think this is a fair price for a heathkit collector. >> Pick up will be at our house in Mansfield Ohio. >> >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/53497998217/user/873975386/ >> >> > Looks like that link has been removed. I can't access it. > > > -- > ========================================= > Jeff Brace > Vice President & Board Member > Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner > Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity > http://www.vcfed.org/ > jeffrey(a)vcfed.org > cell: 732-759-1783

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Recapping a Mac IIci
by Ethan O'Toole 21 Sep '20

21 Sep '20

The problem is when the capacitors leak juice out it changes the chemistry of the solder or something. Unsodering leaked caps is often a difficult mess. I don't know if the IIci uses surface mount caps or not. I haven't had one in a long time (but wouldn't mind another one, they are cool. I was eyeballing that one at Festivus or whatever.) One thing you can do, clean it off as much as possible then try to add new solder to the old solder first, then try to desolder it. Another trick is cutting away the old cap first using snips, but this brings the risk of pulling up traces. Similar to the other poster, I always use leaded solder. I don't know anyone that uses lead free at home. On Sat, 19 Sep 2020, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic wrote: [NON-Text Body part not included]

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Slightly OT
by Martin Flynn 21 Sep '20

21 Sep '20

Heathkit Estate Lot $1,200.00 My dad collected over the years when he passed away we found out just how much stuff he had. Things I know for sure 3 oscilloscopes 20+ trainers Manuals Trainer Binders Kits Unbuilt inbox trainers So many to list.. i think this is a fair price for a heathkit collector. Pick up will be at our house in Mansfield Ohio. https://www.facebook.com/groups/53497998217/user/873975386/

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EXHIBITOR REGISTRATION CLOSED! (for VCF East 2020)
by Jeffrey Brace 20 Sep '20

20 Sep '20

I was supposed to close exhibitor registration last Sunday, but forgot, so everyone had a bonus week to get their exhibits registration in. Two more people squeaked in during that bonus week. I closed the Google Form for exhibitors, instructors, presenters, so no more can be submitted. If you are already working on a video, then please get it to me ASAP! DEADLINE IS NOW! If you need more time, then I might be persuaded. I know the showrunner and he can be persuaded by homemade chocolate chip cookies. ;) -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org cell: 732-759-1783

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine
by Richard Cini 19 Sep '20

19 Sep '20

Kind of feels like someone should do a write up on this if it doesn’t exist somewhere already. I have a Pi 2+ lying around, a few different Macs, an Asante bridge and plenty of AppleTalk stuff. If you have an SD card image I can take a crack at doing it. http://www.classiccmp.org/cini Long Island S100 User’s Group Get Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS ________________________________ From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vcfed.org> on behalf of Glenn Holmer via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 9:22:59 AM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Glenn Holmer <cenbe(a)kolabnow.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine

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Recapping a Mac IIci
by Richard Cini 19 Sep '20

19 Sep '20

All — I have an Apple IIci main board that need recapping. Does anyone know of someone that does this? I bought a recapping kit and tried it on my spare machine and it doesn’t seem to work (I get the bing but no video; no explosion at least) but I’d rather not try it on the main machine. Thanks! Rich http://www.classiccmp.org/cini Long Island S100 User’s Group Get Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine
by David Riley 19 Sep '20

19 Sep '20

On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Glenn Holmer via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > From: Glenn Holmer <cenbe(a)kolabnow.com> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine > Date: September 18, 2020 at 8:29:51 AM EDT > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > > > On 9/17/20 6:13 PM, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> Actually, IMO, the best option is: if you can get an Ethernet card in >> the SE, you can run Netatalk 2.x on Linux or NetBSD (both still >> support AppleTalk, but netatalk 3.x does not). > I'm keeping an old version of Debian on a Raspberry Pi so I can run Netatalk 2.2 for my Mac SEs. Is there anything current that will support AppleTalk? Nope. They dropped AppleTalk support from Netatalk at the 3.0 transition because: a) Almost no one used it (I was the only vocal complainer) b) No one was left on the project to maintain it (ironically, Thomas Kaiser, the last guy who did, is one of the lead maintainers for Armbian, probably the best generic Debian port for non-RPi ARM boards) c) Backwards compatibility with older versions of AFP (Apple Filing Protocol, the AppleShare protocol) was beginning to make adding new functionality difficult to add, so losing the older non-TCP versions really improved maintenance and security NetBSD and Linux both still have AppleTalk kernel support; I sent a patch to fix some AppleTalk bugs in NetBSD a long while ago that I believe has been mainlined, and Linux currently has a bug in its AppleTalk stack regarding multiple interfaces (important if you're trying to run an AppleTalk router, but irrelevant otherwise) for which I need to update my patch and send to the maintainer. But they both work. Apple got rid of AppleTalk for everything but printers in 10.4, and the rest of it in 10.5. OpenBSD dropped AppleTalk support a long time ago. I don't know about FreeBSD, since I don't do much hacking on it, but I'd be surprised if it still had support. Netatalk 2.x comes with source for a kernel module for Solaris to add AppleTalk support, but it was severely broken on Solaris 10 and I never finished trying to update it, and it definitely won't work on 11 because they changed the low-level networking interface quite a bit. So in general, Linux is probably your best bet, followed by NetBSD, IMO. There's no telling when Linux might get rid of AppleTalk (after all, they're deprecating the PC floppy driver), but NetBSD is unlikely to since they delight in supporting ancient and unusual things. What I *really* want to do is make a userland AppleTalk stack/library that works via BPF to do the packet handling on anything that handles BPF (so, most of the above, including Solaris 11, but not 10, IIRC). It would be a loser performance-wise on older machines, but for anything reasonably modern (last 15 years or so, really) it should be just fine for the kind of traffic even a medium-sized Mac lab could generate. It would also be decidedly more secure than a kernel implementation; the Linux kernel's AppleTalk stack is a real mess, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were some latent security vulnerabilities in it. If anyone is interested in trying to start that effort, I'd be glad to chat. LocalTalk support via custom interfaces would be especially neat (you can't do it on a regular PC serial port because it's actually 230kbaud SDLC, which the Z8530 on the Mac and Sun machines handles just fine, but 16550 and family definitely do not). In any case, to answer your original question: Netatalk 2.2.6 is, if I recall, the latest that will work. It incorporated some of the login module fixes backported from 3.0, but is otherwise in mothballs, so don't expect anything new unless you decide to fork it. - Dave

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine
by Andrew Diller 18 Sep '20

18 Sep '20

Are you are asking if there is a more recent Linux that will support netalk? Or are you asking if any recent OSX can access the netatalk shares in 2.x? I tend to think of AppleTalk on ethernet as Ethertalk, to disambiguate it from LocalTalk (which people may be using if they have a bridge). If you can keep everything on ethernet (i.e. you have a network card for all your macs so you can get them to a switch and a common network segment/subnet) I've found that even recent versions of OSX (10.10/Yosemite) can access a netatalk 2.x share via TCPIP and easily share files with older macs. The biggest issue is usually the form of the archive used and ensuring that the resource forks can be properly re-constructed. SIT files are the best to ensure this. I've also setup netatalk on a older laptop w/ Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) and it works great for this transfer. being on an extra, older laptop I can just leave it till I need it again and even it's smallish HD is huge in comparison to the files for classic macs. -andy > On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Glenn Holmer via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > From: Glenn Holmer <cenbe(a)kolabnow.com> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine > Date: September 18, 2020 at 8:29:51 AM EDT > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > > > On 9/17/20 6:13 PM, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> Actually, IMO, the best option is: if you can get an Ethernet card in >> the SE, you can run Netatalk 2.x on Linux or NetBSD (both still >> support AppleTalk, but netatalk 3.x does not). > I'm keeping an old version of Debian on a Raspberry Pi so I can run Netatalk 2.2 for my Mac SEs. Is there anything current that will support AppleTalk? > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > >

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