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New museum artifact: Symbolics 3620
by Evan Koblentz 28 Nov '18

28 Nov '18

We got a Symblics 3620 today, courtesy of Emmanuel Goldstein/2600. I drove out to central Long Island today to pick it up. It came with a tape drive, some tapes, and some Xerox LISP software on 8" disks. Unfortunately no monitor or keyboard.

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Bill Godbout
by Bill Degnan 28 Nov '18

28 Nov '18

Rumors circulating that Bill was caught up in the Northern CA fires and may have been injured or lost his life. Maybe if we run a few electrons through some of his cards and computers we'll generate some positive vibes his way. I bet many of you here like me have and use his RAM cards or have a CompuPro system. Bill

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe)
by Bill Degnan 27 Nov '18

27 Nov '18

Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: VAXman(a)tmesis.org To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe) Message-ID: <18112620112414_223C1054(a)tmesis.com> Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> writes: > >>Anyone from Baltimore going to Festivus want to pick up some VMS >>manuals, they're going to be trashed if not taken. Contact me for >>details. Downtown Baltimore location. Not mine, they're Fran's (lady >>linux's) manuals. Bill > Orange tomes? I believe so, yes. B On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 12:09 PM <vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org wrote: > Send vcf-midatlantic mailing list submissions to > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.vcfed.org/mailman/listinfo/vcf-midatlantic > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > vcf-midatlantic-request(a)lists.vcfed.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > vcf-midatlantic-owner(a)lists.vcfed.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of vcf-midatlantic digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. OT: Modern keyboard question (Herb Johnson) > 2. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Herb Johnson) > 3. VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe) (Bill Degnan) > 4. Anyone going to Festivus want a bunch of C++ and Microsoft > TCPIP books (corey cohen) > 5. Re: VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe) (VAXman(a)tmesis.org) > 6. OT: Festivus Apple Wants (Tony Bogan) > 7. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (David Riley) > 8. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (jakari) > 9. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Andy Diller) > 10. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Thomas Fuchs) > 11. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Evan Koblentz) > 12. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Tony Bogan) > 13. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Jameel Akari) > 14. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Jason Perkins) > 15. Items to bring at Festivus (Herb Johnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 13:44:30 -0500 > From: Herb Johnson <hjohnson(a)retrotechnology.info> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question > Message-ID: > <d1cfca70-ee6f-e4e9-934c-9d2557693970(a)retrotechnology.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > I'm also more of an Alps fan; my daily [desktop keybord] is an Apple > Extended Keyboard II through an iMate ADB->USB adaptor. > > Since I sell ADB keyboards, this phrase caught my eye. Let's see what > such adapters are about, these days. I presume 1) none are in current > commercial production but 2) there's some hobby projects old and new > about it. And I found I was likely right. > > "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin > imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; and > maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79. > > A Web search seems to zero in on a hobby project apparently called > "tmk". Further searching and hopping about the Web, reveals some person > calling themself "tmk", in Japan. There's some kind of code to run on > microcontroller chips like Atmel AVR and Cortex-M; on some kind of > hardware design (not physically complicated, interfaces and a MPU chip I > imagine). The trail I was able to find amounts to: > > https://github.com/tmk/ > https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=14290.0 > http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/ > > Without a lecture from an old-guy; it's mostly a club around someone's > microcontroller board for specific purposes. You have to join the > conversation to figure out what you get, how to make it useful, see > what's available now. All code is on github. The "sales" page seems to > be an updated post in a keyboard discussion group (geekhack). More > information is in various discussions. > > I don't think much of this kind of hobby-product-support, to be honest. > I understand, this is how such things are done today. > > And of course - I may be wrong about "tmk" being a particularly popular > old keyboard to USB solution. All I did was search the web cold, and see > what Google came up with first. I'm not "in the club", so I know > nothing. Maybe someone in that club, or another club, can reference > other work. > > This is marginally within vintage-computing: this is about reuse of > vintage tech. That's a fact: I sell ADB keyboards for current use, or > disassembly, all the time. > > Otherwise I posted here what I found, to save my other know-nothing > friends some of the time I spent on this subject this afternoon. Hope > this is informative. > > Herb "click-clack" Johnson > > -- > Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA > http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:22:57 -0500 > From: Herb Johnson <hjohnson(a)retrotechnology.info> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question > Message-ID: > <63e1dcef-9976-59e0-20ff-73ece5720dd4(a)retrotechnology.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > so never buy a AEK II that looks too used (if it?s yellowed, it was > > probably used a lot, if it?s still white someone stored it away.) > > If some Mac item is yellowed, that's merely evidence it was exposed to > light, and possibly heat. UV light (sunlight, old fluorescent) would > accelerate yellowing. And of course in this case, the keyboard case may > not be original to the keyboard PC board; or have been "retrobrited" > which I never do. > > Other visual evidence may support use or other conditions, like "dirt" > as described. I leave that evidence for discussion by more serious > students of keyboards. > > So: is there a test whereby I can tap on some AEK II keyboard and tell > someone "for X reasons I conclude this decades-old white keyboard was > lightly used?" Or the converse, "for X reasons I conclude this keyboard > is too worn for daily use)? I doubt impressions can be factualized; so I > would not likely make such statements myself. > > I think this is still near-topic; still old keyboards in play. It's a > thing! Google says so! ;) > > Herb > > > -- > Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA > http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:08:20 -0500 > From: Bill Degnan <billdegnan(a)gmail.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe) > Message-ID: > < > CABGJBudktYJrAT-e8xBGmLdvqc1bQAy5CScD5vY+MA0N_QYa3g(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Anyone from Baltimore going to Festivus want to pick up some VMS manuals, > they're going to be trashed if not taken. Contact me for details. > Downtown Baltimore location. Not mine, they're Fran's (lady linux's) > manuals. > Bill > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:45:42 -0500 > From: corey cohen <coreyvcf(a)gmail.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Anyone going to Festivus want a bunch of > C++ and Microsoft TCPIP books > Message-ID: <C092AF31-51D9-4A21-966E-5F15A1713F8E(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I am cleaning out my shelfs to make more room for projects and don?t want > these vintage 1990?s C++ books to go to waste. I even have the full Visual > C++ manual books. > > I also have a bunch of PC assembly language books from the late 80?s if > anyone is interested, I?m keeping my pink shirt Norton ?do the nasty? book, > every hacker should have one. > > Thanks, > Cheers, > Corey > > corey cohen > u??o? ???o? > Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:11:24 -0400 (EDT) > From: VAXman(a)tmesis.org > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe) > Message-ID: <18112620112414_223C1054(a)tmesis.com> > > Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > writes: > > > >Anyone from Baltimore going to Festivus want to pick up some VMS > >manuals, they're going to be trashed if not taken. Contact me for > >details. Downtown Baltimore location. Not mine, they're Fran's (lady > >linux's) manuals. Bill > > Orange tomes? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:42:05 -0500 > From: Tony Bogan <thebogans(a)mac.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > Subject: OT: Festivus Apple Wants > Message-ID: <3E6A45A5-C3E8-497F-8D20-4A2029FA22D8(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Spent the past month having to move into multiple new storage units (a > blessing in disguise as I was far more disorganized than I thought I was!!) > > I?m already bringing a couple Macintosh IIci?s for Herb and the iic I was > working on for Eric Rangell, so I figured I?d see if anyone has any > specific Apple II/compact Mac requests. I?ve got quite a few books and > manuals in triples and quadruples, many unworking machines (both apple ii+ > & Apple iie as well as Mac Plus & SE) that I just haven?t had the time to > work on yet. Plus I?ve got quite a few accessories and literally hundreds > of cards for the II series. If anyone is looking for a project machine > (unworking) or a working one, plus any accessories let me know. If I have > it I?ll bring it and we can figure out a price if any. Some things are for > the taking to give me room to move!! :-) > > Books and manuals I?ve got in spades so ask away! (Off list might be less > cumbersome!) > > Tony > > Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:59:53 -0500 > From: David Riley <fraveydank(a)gmail.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question > Message-ID: <1A8D2699-ACE8-4718-B5A1-F53A5221C2AD(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the price of > iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still only $20 > on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now. > > In any case, the ADB protocol isn?t overly difficult to implement with a > microcontroller; after all, it was designed to be implemented on a > 6800-series micro at 1 MHz (granted, that one wasn?t doing much else). > There are a load of app notes from Microchip detailing some implementation > specifics, many of which are portable. I?d be happy to point anyone > interested at the various resources available. > > - Dave > > > On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > >> I'm also more of an Alps fan; my daily [desktop keybord] is an Apple > Extended Keyboard II through an iMate ADB->USB adaptor. > > > > Since I sell ADB keyboards, this phrase caught my eye. Let's see what > such adapters are about, these days. I presume 1) none are in current > commercial production but 2) there's some hobby projects old and new about > it. And I found I was likely right. > > > > "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin > imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; and > maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79. > > > > A Web search seems to zero in on a hobby project apparently called > "tmk". Further searching and hopping about the Web, reveals some person > calling themself "tmk", in Japan. There's some kind of code to run on > microcontroller chips like Atmel AVR and Cortex-M; on some kind of hardware > design (not physically complicated, interfaces and a MPU chip I imagine). > The trail I was able to find amounts to: > > > > https://github.com/tmk/ > > https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=14290.0 > > http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/ > > > > Without a lecture from an old-guy; it's mostly a club around someone's > microcontroller board for specific purposes. You have to join the > conversation to figure out what you get, how to make it useful, see what's > available now. All code is on github. The "sales" page seems to be an > updated post in a keyboard discussion group (geekhack). More information is > in various discussions. > > > > I don't think much of this kind of hobby-product-support, to be honest. > I understand, this is how such things are done today. > > > > And of course - I may be wrong about "tmk" being a particularly popular > old keyboard to USB solution. All I did was search the web cold, and see > what Google came up with first. I'm not "in the club", so I know nothing. > Maybe someone in that club, or another club, can reference other work. > > > > This is marginally within vintage-computing: this is about reuse of > vintage tech. That's a fact: I sell ADB keyboards for current use, or > disassembly, all the time. > > > > Otherwise I posted here what I found, to save my other know-nothing > friends some of the time I spent on this subject this afternoon. Hope this > is informative. > > > > Herb "click-clack" Johnson > > > > -- > > Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA > > http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:34:50 -0500 > From: jakari <jakari(a)bithose.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question > Message-ID: <8e18a30077eae649f26069e91d61848b(a)zed.bithose.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the price > > of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still > > only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now. > > Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out > probably a dozen of them. :( > > > > > > > On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic > > <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > >> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin > >> imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; > >> and maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79. > > Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by the > same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on > something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive" > some of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really > think of them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side with > the modern Magic Trackpad. > > -- > Jameel Akari > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:06:23 -0500 > From: Andy Diller <dillera(a)gmail.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question > Message-ID: <BBD91DBB-1F48-4B7C-9E73-60E33DB12842(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I use the wombat on my se/30 for the opposite- I like the laptop style usb > white keyboards from Apple. The wombat works great. I have a modern usb > keyboard and mouse and don't have to deal with expensive and flaky adb > devices anymore. > > http://dillernet.com/apple/2017/10/04/usb-for-adb-macintosh/ > > > > > - andy diller > > > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:34 AM, jakari via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > >> On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > >> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the price > >> of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still > >> only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now. > > > > Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out > probably a dozen of them. :( > > > >> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic > >> <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >>> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin > imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; and > maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79. > > > > Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by the > same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on > something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive" some > of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really think of > them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side with the modern > Magic Trackpad. > > > > -- > > Jameel Akari > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:19:43 -0500 > From: Thomas Fuchs <thomas(a)slash7.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question > Message-ID: <6CEF96F5-DD4E-4E99-9E55-BE821BF103BD(a)slash7.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Wombat works great for me, using AEK II on a modern Mac. > > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:34 AM, jakari via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > >> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the price > >> of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still > >> only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now. > > > > Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out > probably a dozen of them. :( > > > >> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic > >> <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >>> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin > imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; and > maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79. > > > > Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by the > same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on > something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive" some > of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really think of > them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side with the modern > Magic Trackpad. > > > > -- > > Jameel Akari > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:20:57 -0500 > From: Evan Koblentz <evan(a)vcfed.org> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question > Message-ID: > < > CADAdoY75wYT_bhQ2nq3jhxLjUX2B6+_Eo8swgKB4jHovPp+ewQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > >> I use the wombat on my se/30 ... - andy diller > > Welcome to the list. > > Please introduce yourself, per our tradition: how did you find us, what's > your background/interest in vintage computing, where do you live, etc. > > We already have to other Andy(s) here, so please keep using yiur surname in > email signatures or at least out Andy D. so we don't confuse you with Andy > Meyer or Andy Molloy. > > Thanks, > - Evan K. (List Dad) > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 9:16 AM Andy Diller via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org wrote: > > > I use the wombat on my se/30 for the opposite- I like the laptop style > usb > > white keyboards from Apple. The wombat works great. I have a modern usb > > keyboard and mouse and don't have to deal with expensive and flaky adb > > devices anymore. > > > > http://dillernet.com/apple/2017/10/04/usb-for-adb-macintosh/ > > > > > > > > > > - andy diller > > > > > > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:34 AM, jakari via vcf-midatlantic < > > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > > >> On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > >> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the price > > >> of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still > > >> only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now. > > > > > > Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out > > probably a dozen of them. :( > > > > > >> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic > > >> <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > >>> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin > > imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; and > > maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79. > > > > > > Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by > the > > same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on > > something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive" > some > > of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really think of > > them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side with the > modern > > Magic Trackpad. > > > > > > -- > > > Jameel Akari > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:35:39 -0500 > From: Tony Bogan <thebogans(a)mac.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question > Message-ID: <C00EA364-463E-4977-82FE-474E98FC133A(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I too use the wombat, in both directions. However, I primarily use it with > a usb rollup keyboard I bring with me when testing systems I?m picking up > (many are sold sans keyboard and mouse, many others the keyboards don?t > work!) or when troubleshooting systems on my workbench when the machines > are in pieces and I?m cobbling together a working one from multiple > machines. I can roll the keyboard out of my way easier than finding a spot > for the big AEKII each time I disconnect it! > > But I too am a fan of the magic keyboard, both the extended and standard. > (Mainly the extended) > > I love the iigs keyboard and the early AEKII as well, so those are the > primary adb ones I > Use on most all machines when using ADB. > > Tony > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:06 AM, Andy Diller via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > I use the wombat on my se/30 for the opposite- I like the laptop style > usb white keyboards from Apple. The wombat works great. I have a modern usb > keyboard and mouse and don't have to deal with expensive and flaky adb > devices anymore. > > > > http://dillernet.com/apple/2017/10/04/usb-for-adb-macintosh/ > > > > > > > > > > - andy diller > > > > > >>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:34 AM, jakari via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > >>> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the price > >>> of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still > >>> only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now. > >> > >> Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out > probably a dozen of them. :( > >> > >>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic > >>> <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >>>> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin > imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; and > maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79. > >> > >> Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by > the same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on > something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive" some > of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really think of > them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side with the modern > Magic Trackpad. > >> > >> -- > >> Jameel Akari > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:45:11 -0500 > From: Jameel Akari <jakari(a)bithose.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question > Message-ID: <570361d53e3322d62d97dcf48324346f(a)zed.bithose.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 2018-11-27 09:19, Thomas Fuchs via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > Wombat works great for me, using AEK II on a modern Mac. > > > > Good to know, looking forward to it! > > > And yeah, I might get a second one later, to hook up USB keyboards and > mice to older Macs. Both directions are useful. > > I've enjoyed at least the concept of using vintage keyboards on new > machines, in part because of the original topic here -- it's exhausting > reading through all the reviews around various keyswitches and keycaps > and LEDs and whatever. > > Might be time to bring my Type M to work again... > > > -- > Jameel Akari > > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:34 AM, jakari via vcf-midatlantic > >> <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >> > >> On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > >>> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the > >>> price > >>> of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still > >>> only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now. > >> > >> Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out > >> probably a dozen of them. :( > >> > >>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic > >>> <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >>>> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin > >>>> imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; > >>>> and maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79. > >> > >> Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by > >> the same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on > >> something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive" > >> some of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really > >> think of them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side > >> with the modern Magic Trackpad. > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:54:59 -0500 > From: Jason Perkins <perkins.jason(a)gmail.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question > Message-ID: > <CA+8Y7qK-_= > Za3dVak0ECGWHQVsf4xA6JWro6mvaLbMOenWzkUA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I always used the Griffen adapter. I have 2, both work well. Though they > do, occasionally, drop a keystroke. > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 9:51 AM Jameel Akari via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > On 2018-11-27 09:19, Thomas Fuchs via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > > Wombat works great for me, using AEK II on a modern Mac. > > > > > > > Good to know, looking forward to it! > > > > > > And yeah, I might get a second one later, to hook up USB keyboards and > > mice to older Macs. Both directions are useful. > > > > I've enjoyed at least the concept of using vintage keyboards on new > > machines, in part because of the original topic here -- it's exhausting > > reading through all the reviews around various keyswitches and keycaps > > and LEDs and whatever. > > > > Might be time to bring my Type M to work again... > > > > > > -- > > Jameel Akari > > > > > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:34 AM, jakari via vcf-midatlantic > > >> <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > >>> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the > > >>> price > > >>> of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still > > >>> only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now. > > >> > > >> Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out > > >> probably a dozen of them. :( > > >> > > >>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic > > >>> <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > >>>> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin > > >>>> imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; > > >>>> and maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79. > > >> > > >> Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by > > >> the same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on > > >> something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive" > > >> some of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really > > >> think of them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side > > >> with the modern Magic Trackpad. > > >> > > > > > > -- > Jason Perkins > 313 355 0085 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:24:01 -0500 > From: Herb Johnson <hjohnson(a)retrotechnology.info> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Items to bring at Festivus > Message-ID: > <fca5c508-687f-b67c-79a4-221a1c4238a6(a)retrotechnology.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Another thread talked about "modern" Mac keyboards (ADB) and converters > to USB. That reminds me: I have several each of some relatively-old USB > keyboards for the 90's Macs. M7803 Pro keyboard (mostly aqua some black) > and M2452 Translucent models. Also the MacAlly ikey equivalent model, > the same but more brick-like. > > I can bring a few boxes of these and ask $5 a pop your choice; then see > what's left. But if no one says they are interested, I won't bother (or > just bring a few better keyboards instead). No mice for $5 but I have a > few. I do sell this stuff otherwise, check my Web site. > > I have some Byte, Kilobaud and Dr Dobbs magazines too. Early years (but > not the first year in mint condition, OK?) Not sure about bringing these > at a "dollar each maybe" level, give me more incentive please, privately > so we don't clutter the list. > > But a lot of people are bringing stuff; FCFed will have stuff too. I'm > reluctant to bring low-value items into a crowded room. Let me know > privately. > > Herb Johnson > -- > Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA > http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net > > > > End of vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 6, Issue 27 > ********************************************** >

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Items to bring at Festivus
by Herb Johnson 27 Nov '18

27 Nov '18

Another thread talked about "modern" Mac keyboards (ADB) and converters to USB. That reminds me: I have several each of some relatively-old USB keyboards for the 90's Macs. M7803 Pro keyboard (mostly aqua some black) and M2452 Translucent models. Also the MacAlly ikey equivalent model, the same but more brick-like. I can bring a few boxes of these and ask $5 a pop your choice; then see what's left. But if no one says they are interested, I won't bother (or just bring a few better keyboards instead). No mice for $5 but I have a few. I do sell this stuff otherwise, check my Web site. I have some Byte, Kilobaud and Dr Dobbs magazines too. Early years (but not the first year in mint condition, OK?) Not sure about bringing these at a "dollar each maybe" level, give me more incentive please, privately so we don't clutter the list. But a lot of people are bringing stuff; FCFed will have stuff too. I'm reluctant to bring low-value items into a crowded room. Let me know privately. Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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OT: Festivus Apple Wants
by Tony Bogan 27 Nov '18

27 Nov '18

Spent the past month having to move into multiple new storage units (a blessing in disguise as I was far more disorganized than I thought I was!!) I’m already bringing a couple Macintosh IIci’s for Herb and the iic I was working on for Eric Rangell, so I figured I’d see if anyone has any specific Apple II/compact Mac requests. I’ve got quite a few books and manuals in triples and quadruples, many unworking machines (both apple ii+ & Apple iie as well as Mac Plus & SE) that I just haven’t had the time to work on yet. Plus I’ve got quite a few accessories and literally hundreds of cards for the II series. If anyone is looking for a project machine (unworking) or a working one, plus any accessories let me know. If I have it I’ll bring it and we can figure out a price if any. Some things are for the taking to give me room to move!! :-) Books and manuals I’ve got in spades so ask away! (Off list might be less cumbersome!) Tony Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe)
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 26 Nov '18

26 Nov '18

Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> writes: > >Anyone from Baltimore going to Festivus want to pick up some VMS >manuals, they're going to be trashed if not taken. Contact me for >details. Downtown Baltimore location. Not mine, they're Fran's (lady >linux's) manuals. Bill Orange tomes?

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Anyone going to Festivus want a bunch of C++ and Microsoft TCPIP books
by corey cohen 26 Nov '18

26 Nov '18

I am cleaning out my shelfs to make more room for projects and don’t want these vintage 1990’s C++ books to go to waste. I even have the full Visual C++ manual books. I also have a bunch of PC assembly language books from the late 80’s if anyone is interested, I’m keeping my pink shirt Norton “do the nasty” book, every hacker should have one. Thanks, Cheers, Corey corey cohen uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ Sent from my iPhone

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VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe)
by Bill Degnan 26 Nov '18

26 Nov '18

Anyone from Baltimore going to Festivus want to pick up some VMS manuals, they're going to be trashed if not taken. Contact me for details. Downtown Baltimore location. Not mine, they're Fran's (lady linux's) manuals. Bill

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Radio Shack retro T-shirts
by Dave McGuire 26 Nov '18

26 Nov '18

On 11/25/18 1:02 PM, Jonathan Sturges via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > In case some list members don't get Radio Shack daily spam, I thought > I'd share that they have some retro T-shirts that are cool. They > start at $15. > https://www.radioshack.com/collections/t-shirts Wow, the ARE cool! Very seriously cool! There's a battery club card shirt! This is fantastic!! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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OT: Modern keyboard question
by Evan Koblentz 26 Nov '18

26 Nov '18

I'm thinking about getting a new keyboard for my modern PC. I want to use squishy keycaps such as these: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/silica-gel-keycap-set It says they're Cherry MX compatible. Does that mean they only work with official Cherry-branded keyboards? Or is there some other search term to use (etc.) for keyboards that are Cherry-compatible? ________________________________ Evan Koblentz, executive director Vintage Computer Federation a 501(c)(3) educational non-profit evan(a)vcfed.org (646) 546-9999 www.vcfed.org facebook.com/vcfederation twitter.com/vcfederation instagram.com/vcfederation

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