November 2017 - vcf-midatlantic

Aaarrrrggghhhhh - list behavior
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '17

04 Nov '17

A few weeks ago we changed the hosting of VCFed.org email from our web hoster to Google. Problem is, now I don't get copies of my own messages to groups (even to non-Google-based groups such as this one). How do I fix that? Search indicates this may be * intended * behavior on Google's part, because they would rather you do everything via Gmail in a browser and use conversation views. I don't work that way and I don't want to work that way. I am using Thunderbird on my desktop and the default Android mail client on my phone. This is pissing me off because when viewing list messages I like to see all the context in one place. I can probably make a filter in Thunderbird to copy all my sent messages to list addresses into the relevant inboxes, but I shouldn't have to do that! Is there a way around this? ________________________________ Evan Koblentz, director Vintage Computer Federation a 501(c)(3) educational non-profit evan(a)vcfed.org (646) 546-9999 www.vcfed.org facebook.com/vcfederation twitter.com/vcfederation instagram.com/vcfederation

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Aaarrrrggghhhhh - list behavior
by cns386 03 Nov '17

03 Nov '17

Basically, no. We use Gmail at work and it's a huge f'ing problem for me as well. --Jason Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Date: 11/3/17 8:29 PM (GMT-08:00) To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Cc: Evan Koblentz <evan(a)vcfed.org> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Aaarrrrggghhhhh - list behavior A few weeks ago we changed the hosting of VCFed.org email from our web hoster to Google. Problem is, now I don't get copies of my own messages to groups (even to non-Google-based groups such as this one). How do I fix that? Search indicates this may be * intended * behavior on Google's part, because they would rather you do everything via Gmail in a browser and use conversation views. I don't work that way and I don't want to work that way. I am using Thunderbird on my desktop and the default Android mail client on my phone. This is pissing me off because when viewing list messages I like to see all the context in one place. I can probably make a filter in Thunderbird to copy all my sent messages to list addresses into the relevant inboxes, but I shouldn't have to do that! Is there a way around this? ________________________________ Evan Koblentz, director Vintage Computer Federation a 501(c)(3) educational non-profit evan(a)vcfed.org (646) 546-9999 www.vcfed.org facebook.com/vcfederation twitter.com/vcfederation instagram.com/vcfederation

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PET 2001 Keyboard Restoration Wrapup
by william degnan 03 Nov '17

03 Nov '17

http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=703 So I went ahead and ordered the Keypad-Fix product but being impatient I thought I'd try a little graphite powder on the conductive pads. It's just the right sticky to lay onto the tips and it works perfectly. The issue with Silver is that it'll eventually tarnish. The graphite powder should hold steady longer. The problem with the Keypad-Fix is that I don't have it here right now :-) but I bet that would work too. I also extended the wire from the caps-lock switch to make it easier to work on the keyboard, should in the future I have to repeat the fix. To clean the motherboard I found this neat product called Cyber Clean, it's a slime compound that you smoosh over a motherboard. It's made to clean electronics. It picks up everything and you just wash it off. Yes it's a little moist, but it seems to take the moisture up as well, leaving the mother board dry (enough)...A little moisture is fine as long as the circuit board is dried with a fan or blow dryer. Bill

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Update on the pet keyboards
by Herb Johnson 03 Nov '17

03 Nov '17

http://www.6502.org/users/andre/petindex/repairs.html#keyboard A page with several keyboard-repair links that look plausible. I can't vouch for them myself. Search "commodore pet keyboard repair" found it. I'm an engineer, so I like results and methods that pretend to know how the actual keyswitch works (as Bill suggested); and have been used for specific brand/models of vintage computers. That would be my approach. There's no shortage of chemical products and materials for repair, or adaptable to repair. It's all about knowing the "right tool for the job". Bill was likely asking for actual results from someone on the list. - Herb -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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C-65 on eBay
by Evan Koblentz 03 Nov '17

03 Nov '17

I almost never post eBay auctions, but check this out: https://www.ebay.es/itm/Ultra-rare-Commodore-65-RAM-Expansion-C65-DX64-C90-… ________________________________ Evan Koblentz, director Vintage Computer Federation a 501(c)(3) educational non-profit evan(a)vcfed.org (646) 546-9999 www.vcfed.org facebook.com/vcfederation twitter.com/vcfederation instagram.com/vcfederation

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Update on the pet keyboards
by william degnan 03 Nov '17

03 Nov '17

I found that there are cheap products all over Ebay and Amazon for repairing carbon/rubber keypads for remotes, etc. Ordered one. Bill

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Funny story
by Evan Koblentz 03 Nov '17

03 Nov '17

About a year ago I tore apart my home looking for a binder containing some of my book research. Couldn't find it anywhere and thought I'd lost it forever! Tonight I found 100% of its contents -- neatly organized in my file cabinet -- sans the actual binder. Apparently being organized is so unusual that I forgot I did it! In my defense, this happened sometime last summer when I was on a ton of painkiller medicine.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] PET keyboard question
by william degnan 02 Nov '17

02 Nov '17

So Brace was correct, thanks guys I will investigate this angle. Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net On Nov 2, 2017 6:02 PM, "Alexander via vcf-midatlantic" < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Alexander <ajpierson1(a)yahoo.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 18:02:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] PET keyboard question > I saw the silver paint-on used in a PET keyboard repair for the first time > recently. It seems like it was an effective fix. However, I have only > seen that done to a single PET, so I don't think it's a common solution. > That would be my next choice, seeing as the isopropyl didn't help things. > > -Alexander 'Z' Pierson > > Sent from my pocket telephone. > > william degnan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists. > vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > >I could but I am looking for what someone who successfully restored a > dead > >keyboard did. I never heard anyone putting colloidal silver on a pet > >keyboard before. > > > >Bill Degnan > >twitter: billdeg > >vintagecomputer.net > >On Nov 2, 2017 4:48 PM, "Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic" < > >vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > >How about putting silver on the contacts? > > > >On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 4:21 PM, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic < > >vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > >> I used the 91% with qtip on both. I could try the eraser why not...but > my > >> method should have worked > >> > >> Bill Degnan > >> twitter: billdeg > >> vintagecomputer.net > >> On Nov 2, 2017 3:53 PM, "Justin Jernigan via vcf-midatlantic" < > >> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >>I searched the web and did not find any specific best way to handle > >> keys > >> > >>that have no response at all given my described situation. Most > places > >> > say > >> > >>"clean everything"....OK tried that. What does one do specifically > >> > >>(materials and procedure) to clean the black carbon contact points > to > >> > >>ensure conductivity? This is not the same issue as the SOL/Tandy-II > >> > >>keyboard problem with the dried-out pads. The PET has springs, and > >this > >> > >>particular keyboard has no rust and very little crud. There must be > >> > >>something microscopic like a thin film that needs to be cleared. I > >> > believe > >> > >>the pads are extending and contacting the control board. I tried > using > >> > >>deoxit and isopropyl alcohol. Hope I did not ruin. I was able to > get a > >> > >>few keys to work but there are a lot more to fix. > >> > > >> > I use alcohol (91%) and a qtip on both the contact points and the > carbon > >> > pads. Have you tried using a pencil eraser on the board contact > points? > >> > Might be worth it on the carbon points as well (pencil eraser) and > then > >> > clean again with alcohol. > >> > > >> > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] PET keyboard question
by Alexander 02 Nov '17

02 Nov '17

I saw the silver paint-on used in a PET keyboard repair for the first time recently. It seems like it was an effective fix. However, I have only seen that done to a single PET, so I don't think it's a common solution. That would be my next choice, seeing as the isopropyl didn't help things. -Alexander 'Z' Pierson Sent from my pocket telephone. william degnan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >I could but I am looking for what someone who successfully restored a dead >keyboard did. I never heard anyone putting colloidal silver on a pet >keyboard before. > >Bill Degnan >twitter: billdeg >vintagecomputer.net >On Nov 2, 2017 4:48 PM, "Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic" < >vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > >How about putting silver on the contacts? > >On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 4:21 PM, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic < >vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > >> I used the 91% with qtip on both. I could try the eraser why not...but my >> method should have worked >> >> Bill Degnan >> twitter: billdeg >> vintagecomputer.net >> On Nov 2, 2017 3:53 PM, "Justin Jernigan via vcf-midatlantic" < >> vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >> >> > >> > >>I searched the web and did not find any specific best way to handle >> keys >> > >>that have no response at all given my described situation. Most places >> > say >> > >>"clean everything"....OK tried that. What does one do specifically >> > >>(materials and procedure) to clean the black carbon contact points to >> > >>ensure conductivity? This is not the same issue as the SOL/Tandy-II >> > >>keyboard problem with the dried-out pads. The PET has springs, and >this >> > >>particular keyboard has no rust and very little crud. There must be >> > >>something microscopic like a thin film that needs to be cleared. I >> > believe >> > >>the pads are extending and contacting the control board. I tried using >> > >>deoxit and isopropyl alcohol. Hope I did not ruin. I was able to get a >> > >>few keys to work but there are a lot more to fix. >> > >> > I use alcohol (91%) and a qtip on both the contact points and the carbon >> > pads. Have you tried using a pencil eraser on the board contact points? >> > Might be worth it on the carbon points as well (pencil eraser) and then >> > clean again with alcohol. >> > >>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] PET keyboard question
by william degnan 02 Nov '17

02 Nov '17

I could but I am looking for what someone who successfully restored a dead keyboard did. I never heard anyone putting colloidal silver on a pet keyboard before. Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net On Nov 2, 2017 4:48 PM, "Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic" < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: How about putting silver on the contacts? On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 4:21 PM, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > I used the 91% with qtip on both. I could try the eraser why not...but my > method should have worked > > Bill Degnan > twitter: billdeg > vintagecomputer.net > On Nov 2, 2017 3:53 PM, "Justin Jernigan via vcf-midatlantic" < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > > > >>I searched the web and did not find any specific best way to handle > keys > > >>that have no response at all given my described situation. Most places > > say > > >>"clean everything"....OK tried that. What does one do specifically > > >>(materials and procedure) to clean the black carbon contact points to > > >>ensure conductivity? This is not the same issue as the SOL/Tandy-II > > >>keyboard problem with the dried-out pads. The PET has springs, and this > > >>particular keyboard has no rust and very little crud. There must be > > >>something microscopic like a thin film that needs to be cleared. I > > believe > > >>the pads are extending and contacting the control board. I tried using > > >>deoxit and isopropyl alcohol. Hope I did not ruin. I was able to get a > > >>few keys to work but there are a lot more to fix. > > > > I use alcohol (91%) and a qtip on both the contact points and the carbon > > pads. Have you tried using a pencil eraser on the board contact points? > > Might be worth it on the carbon points as well (pencil eraser) and then > > clean again with alcohol. > > >

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