August 2021 - vcf-midatlantic

Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Happy Birthday IBM-PC
by Alexander Pierson 12 Aug '21

12 Aug '21

>I think I was still using my VIC-20 then. You make it sound like it was old in '81, however: Happy 40th birthday Commodore VIC-20 too. Yes, technically it was released in Japan in '80, but nobody here lived in Japan/had a VIC-1001. I've never heard a concrete, verifiable answer on what month it was released in the US. Just vaguely mid-summer. -Alexander 'Z' Pierson _ On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 7:45:02 AM EDT, Richard Cini via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: August 12, 1981 at a news conference in NY, IBM introduced the PC. 40 years ago. Holy cow. I think I was still using my VIC-20 then. Rich http://cini.classiccmp.org/ Long Island S100 User’s Group Get Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Happy Birthday IBM-PC
by Dave McGuire 12 Aug '21

12 Aug '21

On 8/12/21 4:26 PM, madodel via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > I don't think anyone had GB of anything back in the 80's. I remember > back then when our IBM mainframe was upgraded to 1mb of core > memory and that was serving 3 hospitals with 100's of terminals. > My phone has 4 GB of RAM and 256GB of flash storage. I don't > remember how much DASD storage the mainframe had but the disk > drives were huge. The IBM 3380 initially had a capacity of 2.5GB and was introduced in 1980. That was one of their most popular fixed disk drives for mainframes. They are...large. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Happy Birthday IBM-PC
by Richard Cini 12 Aug '21

12 Aug '21

August 12, 1981 at a news conference in NY, IBM introduced the PC. 40 years ago. Holy cow. I think I was still using my VIC-20 then. Rich http://cini.classiccmp.org/ Long Island S100 User’s Group Get Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS

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Repair Workshop Info 2021-08-14 & 2021-08-15
by Jeffrey Brace 11 Aug '21

11 Aug '21

Signup for June 2021 Repair Workshop here: August 2021 Repair Workshop Signup Sheet <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J028DlSdvSUlh3BsrGfmalHQ9qbFfPSUQa9…> Spaces are first come first serve to the CDL space. Limited space available. Overflow space in 9032-A building. Sign up to guarantee a table!!! *DATES*: August 14 & 15, 2021 *LOCATIONS:* InfoAge: 2201 Marconi Road, Wall Township, NJ 1) Building 9059 (CDL Hackerspace - Formerly IXR) AND 2) Building 9032-A (Old workshop area in main building) TIME: Saturday START time == 10 A.M. END time == 11PM. Sunday START time == 10 A.M. and END == 5 P.M. *SIGNUP HERE!*: Signup sheet Click HERE! <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J028DlSdvSUlh3BsrGfmalHQ9qbFfPSUQa9…> Fask Masks are required for non vaccinated people. Vaccinated people have the option to wear masks or not. *COST:*- $15 per person, PER day. This money goes to InfoAge and CDL. - $25 per night for those wanting to stay overnight (Money goes to InfoAge). Please pay ME upon arrival. Cash or PayPal is acceptable as payment. Ask ahead of time if you need to use a credit card. *OVERNIGHT*: Bring your own pillow, blankets, soap etc. We provide a bed frame and an uncovered mattress. There are showers and a kitchen for your use. - You can pay via PayPal to paypal(a)vcfed.org. or to me via cash or credit card in person. *EQUIPMENT:* - VCF will provide a table and you can use any available electrical outlet. - Bring your own tools, power strips, power cords, and supplies etc. - If you need particular tools that you don't know or particular parts, please post to the list for those going. They may have what you need. Let them know ahead of time. - Let everyone know what project you are working on ahead of time to inspire collaboration. *DRINKS*: You should bring your own. We have a refrigerator in CDL to keep them cold. VCF will buy some water and soft drinks for member use. *FOOD*: *Saturday afternoon*: Pizza from Attilios (Tinton Falls) *Saturday Night Dinner at 7PM?*: Options: 1) MJs 2) Robinson Ale House 3) Brick House Tap and Tavern 4) Main Street Bar and Grill 5) Any recommendations? Signup here for Saturday Dinner <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vo2dSs8HOVaFYuGCPqh_QmYfqPUjCqbXnRz…> *Sunday Morning*: Bagel order from Delicious Bagels Sign-up HERE <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cd3sY7biD1NwmB3anTbCTI80D2QULKMYPvJ…> *Sunday Afternoon*: Wawa GATE: Please close the gate behind you at all times. We want to discourage random strangers from wandering the campus during museum hours. PARKING: Park in the main parking lot, unless you are unloading. Don't park on the lawn. QUESTIONS? Contact Jeff Brace PHONE: (7 3 2 ) 7 5 9 - 1 7 8 3 EMAIL: jeffrey AT vcfed.org Have fun everyone! ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Food thoughts for Repair Workshop 8/14 & 8/15
by Jeffrey Brace 11 Aug '21

11 Aug '21

DINNER: I've decided not to do a BBQ this time. It will be too hot and humid this weekend as well as scattered thunderstorms. I plan on trying to get a reservation at either of these two places : 1) MJs (Neptune City) 2) Robinsons Ale House ( Asbury Park - next to The Silverball Arcade https://www.therobinsonalehouseasburypark.com/) If I can't reserve then I can do either then: 3) Brickhouse Tap and Tavern (Neptune City) 4) Main Street Grill For those that are interested I will ask for preferences during the repair workshop. I should also mention that there is an Italian Festival in Ocean Township this weekend for those that want an alternative place to eat: https://iaato.com/festival/ BREAKFAST: How does everyone feel about keep doing the bagel order? Or we can try a diner this time? Think about it and let me know during the repair workshop. ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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VCF East 2021 Exhibitors: Time is running out!
by Jeffrey Brace 10 Aug '21

10 Aug '21

If you haven't signed up to be an exhibitor for VCF East, then please do so as soon as possible. The deadline is coming up: September 1. We still have room for more exhibitors, and want to make sure that everyone has a chance to reserve a table. To register for an exhibit, please fill out this form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdtF7NsjLdJ9D7YAbNZiLywzYHhbZ8Cup9… Exhibits will run October 9 & 10. Please let me know if you have any questions. ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Free magazines: Lotus 1-2-3 Computer for Managers and Professionals
by Jeffrey Brace 10 Aug '21

10 Aug '21

Someone is looking to get rid of Lotus 1-2-3 magazines from 1987-1990. If anyone has any interest, then send me an e-mail. ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member Vintage Computer Festival East Show-runner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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VCF Museum and Warehouse Update
by Herb Johnson 10 Aug '21

10 Aug '21

Two general questions or comments. Neither are anything I can do anything about. But they seem worth pointing out. Pardon the long explanations, if these were obvious no explanation would be needed. 1) Tony Bogan et al, most recently Martin Flynn, refer a lot to InfoAge building number designations. I'm sure, because of their weekly and daily activities at Infoage in Wall, NJ, they know which building is which and how they are laid out and connected and all that. Others, who visit sporadically, do not know what they are talking about. I barely know myself, despite 15 years of my visits to "the campus" of Infoage, because I have a dyslexia about "names". So building 9010 versus 9010B versus 9999 versus 9009 all. look. the same. names. to. me. It's not about me of course. What someone who reads this email list, knows about buildings, matters or it doesn't. But with repairs and moves announced weekly, daily - and now volunteers requested - it seems to matter *now*. It gets worse, if one wants to *find out* these numbers. infoage.org, has hidden maps on their Web site, of the facilities. Recent maps have no Army numbering. I looked days ago (when Martin was reporting on wiring), and I had to use Google to find a survey map of the site, from when Camp Evans was under review by the Army as some kind of preserved facility. https://infoage.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/NHL-Figure-2.jpg That's where I found it. and it calls out "9010 complex". (shrug) I recall on-site paper brochures, I haven't checked lately. I don't know if they are online, on the Web. How much searching should I do? Please don't tell me "we aren't responsible for InfoAge's Web site". You are responsible for vcf.org. The only map there, shows a few buildings by function; no Army numbers. 2) Tony announced, a move of the museum - again, buildings a little cryptic - from one section of a building to four sections of (maybe the same) a building. And a move of the warehouse, apparently to another building. (That kind-of was my last-straw about identifying InfoAge buildings.) Apparently the new-to-VCFed sites will need preparation. Apparently some funds will have to be raised. This is good, this is great. But: it will take time, and volunteers. No timelines were stated. Meanwhile: VCF-East is Oct 8-10 - 60 days from today. Those who have participated, know how labor-intensive that can be. That presents a conflict. Bottom line seems clear to me. What museum or warehouse work will be scheduled *before* Oct? Site work equals people-power equals more volunteers and more people-hours. Right? People will have to choose what to do and when. Right? They may want details. One hopes, VCFed won't be OBLIGED to move their Museum before Oct 2021. That would have consequences for the VCF-East visitors. Right? The Warehouse move "should not" impact VCF-East, but who knows? I'm just guessing. The simplest timeline is: "no changes to current VCFed sites before the end of VCF-East". And, work on sites to be moved to, that "has" to be done before October - one hopes it can be done as best-efforts, lower-priority. (shrug) But VCFed is part of InfoAge, and InfoAge has many tenants/partners. Those may require actions before October. ------------------------------------- All of this is not about me, or maybe only about me. My problem with names is my problem. As for what building is where, what number, what size? Solve that with a good map, point to it, and it's DONE. On moving: I did computer site preparation professionally, when younger. I'm too old now to hustle boxes, sweat and crawl under buildings. But I'm not in charge. But I have an interest in the outcomes. and who knows? maybe there's work for an old person. If Covid permits; that too is uncertain, hard to plan for. Meanwhile: the next 60 days will likely force certain priorities. Let people know so they can make choices ahead of time. Seams reasonable. Regards, Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF Museum and Warehouse Update
by Tony Bogan 10 Aug '21

10 Aug '21

> Others, who visit sporadically, do not know what they are talking about. I barely know myself, despite 15 years of my visits to "the campus" of Infoage, because I have a dyslexia about "names". So building 9010 versus 9010B versus 9999 versus 9009 all. look. the same. names. to. me. Yep, always been a problem. Even I get the numbers mixed up sometimes! Since this list doesn’t allow attachments I have to upload a detailed map so everyone can see It and access it. I finished it last night after work. It’ll go up and a link sent out tomorrow. We appreciate yours and everyone else’s patience as we make all of these major upgrades and announcements about them. > Please don't tell me "we aren't responsible for InfoAge's Web site". You are responsible for vcf.org. The only map there, shows a few buildings by function; no Army numbers. We are not responsible for InfoAges website. ;-) > 2) Tony announced, a move of the museum - again, buildings a little cryptic - from one section of a building to four sections of (maybe the same) a building. And a move of the warehouse, apparently to another building. (That kind-of was my last-straw about identifying InfoAge buildings.) Apparently the new-to-VCFed sites will need preparation. Apparently some funds will have to be raised. > > This is good, this is great. But: it will take time, and volunteers. No timelines were stated. The main point of the initial update was we are moving from 1/4 of a 6000+ square foot space to an ENTIRE 6000+ square foot space for our museum. Also, we are getting new warehouse space (and space better suited to our needs) We literally just got approval for the two new spaces. I apologize if we don’t yet have specific timelines for each stage of clearing, cleaning, construction and population of the spaces yet, but we are most certainly working on those now that we have actual approval to occupy the spaces. One step at a time, this was step one of many yet to come. > Meanwhile: VCF-East is Oct 8-10 - 60 days from today. Those who have participated, know how labor-intensive that can be. > > That presents a conflict. No conflict whatsoever. The warehouse and museum spaces are not integral parts of VCF east, and no change of Museum venue will happen anywhere‘s near this VCF east or next year’s. This is going to be a multi year endeavor, and we don’t want to put the cart before the horse. > Bottom line seems clear to me. What museum or warehouse work will be scheduled *before* Oct? Site work equals people-power equals more volunteers and more people-hours. Right? People will have to choose what to do and when. Right? They may want details. For sure, people will want details. This was update number one. Announcing the fact that we now have access to two new spaces for our warehouse and our future Museum. Details of this nature are not usually in the initial announcement of the new acquisition of spaces. This announcement was about the acquisition of those spaces. I apologize if I was not detailed enough in my initial announcement. Subsequent updates will have more details. Warehouse work will commence as soon as possible, but again will not have any impact whatsoever on VCF East 2021 or 2022. > One hopes, VCFed won't be OBLIGED to move their Museum before Oct 2021. That would have consequences for the VCF-East visitors. Right? The Warehouse move "should not" impact VCF-East, but who knows? I'm just guessing There was no mention of specific dates because there are none. Yet. There was no mention of VCF east because this announcement has no bearing on VCF east 2021 or 2022. We are not obliged to move our Museum space until our new museum space is done. Once we have done detailed assessments of the museum space, (some of which has already been done) identified exactly what our needs are, then get estimates for any construction that is beyond the volunteer level, We will then pass that information along to everyone. As soon as we know, everyone else will know. > On moving: I did computer site preparation professionally, when younger. I'm too old now to hustle boxes, sweat and crawl under buildings. But I'm not in charge. But I have an interest in the outcomes. and who knows? maybe there's work for an old person. If Covid permits; that too is uncertain, hard to plan for. Great!! We will need all the help and advice we can get! And fortunately for you Herb, the buildings are on concrete slabs. No crawling underneath! Maybe some climbing around the rafters, but we will not ask you to do that! > > Meanwhile: the next 60 days will likely force certain priorities. Let people know so they can make choices ahead of time. Seams reasonable. Other than the fact that VCF East is not impacted by any of this, as I mentioned in the original email we will be reaching out to everyone so stay tuned for more updates. I’m glad you’re excited about the new spaces Herb, (I think you’re excited....) I know I am. Over 6000 square feet of museum space!! A better, slightly roomier, more accommodating warehouse space! (Bonus, closer down the hallways to our existing museum and the new space when finished will be closer still!!) Tony Bogan

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VCF Museum and Warehouse Update
by Herb Johnson 09 Aug '21

09 Aug '21

> As I said, this is an interim fix until such time as InfoAge addresses > this issue with a standardized map with program descriptions *and* > building numbers based on this: > http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/tourmap_lineart_final-scale… > > > They are aware of this issue, (loops back around to Tony's statement on > how the teams are all working together nowadays) and is being worked on > in the background, so it's ready for inclusion in the VCF East program > material. > > Martin Flynn Martin, thanks for a specific response to a specific question - that is, thanks for your map as it is. I have ended my commentary on these matters. But as a matter of courtesy to you: Your description of circumstances and applications suggest that I didn't ask for a map for silly reasons on my part. Thanks for that description. Regards Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net

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