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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
by Jeff Salzman 30 Oct '24

30 Oct '24

December 14 and 15 at InfoAge On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 11:44 PM bob jeffway.com via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > Well, some good points! > Reminds me, when is Festivus?? I want to come this year! > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
by Ian Litchfield 29 Oct '24

29 Oct '24

Regardless of what we call ourselves. The elephant in the room here is still apparent, and this is my opinion (I am sure many have seen it as well.) We have not really acted as a club in a long time. Besides Festivus, when is the last time we did anything club like? People show up to the Swap and leave immediately after many ignoring our post event workshops. The same 5 or so people show up to workshops monthly, barring the one right before VCF East which always has a higher turnout. Very few newcomers appear to stick around, and if they do they just lurk. How many are registered in the list again? Hell it took me about a year to figure out how to even “join” the club because no information was out about how to get involved. I was told to talk to someone and wait for a phone call, which took over 6 months to come in. >From what I have gathered, we have always regarded it as “If you are on the list, you are in” but that is a terrible way, especially for an organization that has grown to our size, as people have put it to keep a member log. We want to grow the local community here, do some outreach, fund fixing the warehouse to protect our artifacts, and eventually expand our museum and assist the other local groups on campus at InfoAge. All of which requires having an active and informed local membership. We are not renaming the organization here, not even the list. Specifically it is proposed to rename and restructure the local chapter that handles the local events, local fund raising, local museum, local warehouse, local artifacts, local workshops, etc.. Did I mention Local? -Ian L. On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 09:04 Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > We are, or were created as one in 2015, an extension/chapter/whathaveyou > of VCF National. > > We don’t necessarily need to remain that, but that is what we are at the > moment. > > Tony Bogan > > > > On Oct 29, 2024, at 8:39 AM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > > > <mime-attachment> >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
by John Heritage 29 Oct '24

29 Oct '24

Central Region Old Timer Computer Hobbyists? On Tue, Oct 29, 2024, 1:40 PM RETRO Innovations via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > On 10/29/2024 12:14 PM, Andrew Diller wrote: > > I read this and also thought "he's asking for an announcement only list" > -- which does not exist. But could be created (but I'm guessing it would be > occasionally forgotten about). > > Sorry, that was not my intent. I actually like the discussion, at least > some of the time, since I work in other related groups and seeing how > you all process things helps other groups. And, yes, the announce list > would suffer from being yet another thing to deal with. > > No, just wanted to make sure it was OK to be on here and if it's OK, > noting that those like me necessarily can only watch and add bit of > value from afar, please don't hate that we didn't sign up to volunteer > at all the cool things you do. > > Jim > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
by Chris Fala 29 Oct '24

29 Oct '24

Tony makes a good point, communication seems to be the actual issue. And I agree with his MACE suggestion, Mid Atlantic Commodore Enthusiasts! On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 12:30 PM Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > As mentioned in my first response, I’m fine with whatever the group wants, > I don’t have any feelings either way. > My goal was to point out the pertinent facts revolving around the > discussion. > > Forgetting all the conversations I’ve had with people over the years, just > the responses in this thread show me that the perceived “confusion” > revolves far more around how information is disseminated to the public and > how things are organized as opposed to what the group is called. > > Changing the name won’t fix that, but at the same time changing the name > is not a problem or something I like or dislike. It is what it is. > > My vote is for MAACE (or MACE) > > Mid-Atlantic Apple Computer Enthusiasts > ;-)

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
by Jeff Salzman 29 Oct '24

29 Oct '24

Seems the definition of "local" needs to be addressed. (And I'm betting as I type this, someone else is, or has already defined the term.) Local, in the context of this long-running faction of an organization is loosely defined as an area as big as it needs to be for many to reasonably and regularly attend the organization's events. Special events like VCF-East have certainly been an exception to that, but VCF-E is a Vintage Computer Federation event, run by volunteers and members of the local organization in Wall Township, NJ. It was already discussed by many, and nearly officially by Tony B., that Mid-Atlantic covers a VERY large swath on the Eastern seaboard and nearby inland states. Unless anybody has an issue with the use of "local" to define that, then let's stick with using the term local as having such a broad reference. While we won't kick anybody from Nebraska away who comes to one of our Workshops or Festivus, or a future hackathon, that Nebraskan would probably not make regular trips to Wall Township, NJ on a near monthly basis. As such, we probably wouldn't consider Nebraska "local", but they are more than welcome to join the group and/or mailing list if they wish. So Bill, you ARE local in the broadest sensible sense of the term. You're certainly far more local to this area than to the sister group in California's Bay Area. I live further from Wall Township, NJ than you, but I would call MARCH (sticking with that name for now) my local retro computer club. We have members in Virginia who think the same way. As for the same 7 people. That's just because those people choose on their own to attend these events on a regular basis, or even a volunteer, or docent. It is not a defining requirement for membership and never has been. Any group or organization will have its "regular" members, but as far as attendance at our regular Workshop events, the invitation is always there. The simple rules are: - Sign up on the Google Sheet that's sent via announcement to this message list - Pay the daily Workshop fee of $15 - Understand that attendees will not (always) fix your stuff for you, but many help as much as they can. This is an opportunity to learn how to restore your own stuff. - Be kind and courteous - ENJOY YOURSELF! - Clean up before you leave As "MARCH" defines more suitable ways to get the word out to the retro hobbyist about these regular events, there is hope that more people would learn about our volunteer opportunities, and not feel that they are not welcome to participate in anything "MARCH" does. Jeff Salzman On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 1:38 PM RETRO Innovations via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > On 10/29/2024 12:08 PM, David Gesswein via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > My point was more of "should folks like myself be on the list at all, > since we are not local"? I asked because one of the most recent list > emails was about "the same 7 people come to events, few help out..." and > I think there was an implication that the list members should be take a > more active role in the org. I'd love to assist, and I do for other > VCF-like orgs closer to home, but I can't help be a docent or set up for > the swap meet, and neither can the others on the list who are far > flung. That was my intent. > > Jim > > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
by Andrew Diller 29 Oct '24

29 Oct '24

Nice glue you got there. The United Federation of Plants meets every 3d Wednesday at the Morris Horticultural Society back deck, on Pine Ridge. -andy https://imgur.com/a/on5tjuH > On Oct 29, 2024, at 1:45 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > logo of the United Federation of Plants,

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
by Tony Bogan 29 Oct '24

29 Oct '24

I’d like to bring this conversation back to what Christian mentioned earlier about the logo…… I’m having trouble finding for comparison the logo of the United Federation of Plants, but im interested in learning more about them!!! (Sorry, at drydock and this is my only break time today and I’m getting loopy from the paint fumes) Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue. Tony Bogan > On Oct 29, 2024, at 1:40 PM, RETRO Innovations via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > <mime-attachment>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
by Dean Notarnicola 29 Oct '24

29 Oct '24

All are welcome on the list, regardless of level of participation. We are better together. On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 1:39 PM RETRO Innovations via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > On 10/29/2024 12:14 PM, Andrew Diller wrote: > > I read this and also thought "he's asking for an announcement only list" > -- which does not exist. But could be created (but I'm guessing it would be > occasionally forgotten about). > > Sorry, that was not my intent. I actually like the discussion, at least > some of the time, since I work in other related groups and seeing how > you all process things helps other groups. And, yes, the announce list > would suffer from being yet another thing to deal with. > > No, just wanted to make sure it was OK to be on here and if it's OK, > noting that those like me necessarily can only watch and add bit of > value from afar, please don't hate that we didn't sign up to volunteer > at all the cool things you do. > > Jim > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
by David Gesswein 29 Oct '24

29 Oct '24

Nobody is going to say you shouldn't be on the list. If people are getting overwelmed by emails of no intrest speak up. If so it may make sense to have an announce only list. Will then require sending announcements to both lists since not everybody will sign up for the announce list so one list makes it simpler. On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 11:54:10AM -0500, RETRO Innovations via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 11:54:10 -0500 > From: RETRO Innovations <go4retro(a)go4retro.com> > To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy > Changes > User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird > > With all of this discussion, I'm concerned that I should not be on the > list.. I joined many moons ago as this list seems to have good > information on the VCF-E event and other related VCF events. > > But, I am not local, and I doubt I will ever be able to attend events > outside of the VCF-E show. > > If I'm here erroneously, let me know. If not, I'd ask you keep in mind > I am probably not the only non Mid-Atlantic person on-list. I'm not > saying the discussions should deviate from Mid-Atlantic, or even > NJ-focused, discussions, just wanted to remind folks that there's > probably a small segment of subscribers who look in from afar. > > Jim

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
by Andrew Diller 29 Oct '24

29 Oct '24

Ha I was thinking the same thing. Someone already decided it's MARCH. Did I miss the announcement? > On Oct 29, 2024, at 1:04 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > Functionally doesn’t change the fact that VCF MA (did we suddenly decide now it’s MARCH without any further discussion? I want MACE seriously considered :-) -andy

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